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Old 02-26-2007, 08:28 AM   #1
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The agony of the diesel

Maybe I should title it "Agony of the Ford". Just got back from the dealer, who did an oil change, changed the air filter, and repaced a defective Exhaust Backpressure Sensor (under warranty with $100 deductible) on the F-350.

$495!!!!!! Outrageous.

I will never buy another Ford again. Diesels are supposed to give good mileage. Ford diesels don't.
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That sucks. It is a v8 afterall, diesel or not, and it's a heavy vehicle, so the mpg is not a surprise.
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There is no way I would pay that for an oil change and air filter. An oil change should be around $70. An air filter around $30. So no more than $150 for those 2 items.

I find that auto repair across the board is going up everywhere. I would avoid the dealership unless its a warranty repair. $495 for what sounds like an hours worth of work. I wouldn't chalk it up that its a ford thing either. I've had similar experiences with different brand dealers. I would have laughed in his face and told them I would pay them fair market price for the oil and filter change and given them the $100 deductable. If I were you I would get a quote from a different dealer. If it turns out that this dealer is gouging people I would report it to the BBB.
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[QUOTE=Sludgy;42006

I will never buy another Ford again. Diesels are supposed to give good mileage. Ford diesels don't.[/QUOTE]

1 ton trucks are not designed to get good mpg, they are made to haul or tow a lot of weight.

I drive a chevy 1ton truck at work with a 8.1 v8 gas engine, we average about 8 mpg with it.
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Old 02-26-2007, 07:23 PM   #5
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I agree with Sludgy

I have to agree with Sludgy on this one. I drove many E-350, -450 and -550 Diesel platforms and saw the run of problems up to and beyond the 100K mile mark on the PowerStrokes. The International/Navistar engine corp. was rushed by Ford to produce a light-to-medium duty turbo-diesel since their non-turbo engines were quite underpowered when compared to similar offerings from GM's Isuzu brand in Chevy/GMC applications and Dodge's legendary Cummins I-6 -- both of which offer better FE over their gasser V-8 counterparts. Similarly, Volvo and Mistubishi had a superior product for their U.S. truck market. Enter the "Ford PowerStroke Diesel".

But were Ford mechanics ready for the new PSD? Apparently not. Many dealers failed to seal the air-intake system during either routine maintenance or recalls. The result: lots of dirty, sandy, or dusty air being sucked directly into the engine and its consequent demise. "Dusted" engines and dealers not owning up to faulty repair claims prompted legal action and many new engines were provided to owners after a long fight. Since a TD sucks-in air many-times over gassers, the sand blasting took its toll first on the turbo vanes, then piston rings and walls of the cylinder, and finally ka-blooey. They even screwed it up on engine replacement and it happened 2+ times to some owner. Not good. Since 80%+ of the Ambulances on the road today have a Ford Diesel engine and chassis, does that make you feel a sense of confidence in the response in an emergency?

We were thrilled to have more power, but the new tech's flaws showed through. Broken valves, dusted engines, premature turbo failure, and exhaust leaks made them unreliable. I mainly drove the older, pre-turbo models on the job, which were virtually indestructable. They didn't have much power, smoked like a chimney, and were drag-limited to 111 mph -- nevermind on that last one: most public-service PSDs had a governor set to 85 mph which caught me by surprise on the Volunteer Department's new E-550. Out on the Interstate, it just topped out, and you'd get passed -- with the lights and siren! But then you were stuck. Like the Crown-Vic "Police Interceptor" Police car, Ford had the corner on the ambulance platform market. You could get a GMC (rare), or even upgrade to a huge Freightliner Medium-duty unit, but the latter was very costly. Many departments are forced to buy Ford.

LSS: Ford hasn't lived up to its claims of better FE with the PSD over their V-8s, the reliability, and lack of service excellence. Granted, it's not going to get stellar FE, but it should at least do better than similar V-8s, which I understand they do not.

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I have driven and worked many fords and dodges over the years. I'll say this dodge has had there fair share of teething issues as well as the GM/isuzu duramax.

Dodge in particular had the cracked engine block issue as well as the throw away vp44 injection pump.

I think that the affordable dependability of the diesel has past. Any cummins 12valve will run forever as do the old non turbo fords. But the newer electronic control injection pumps marked the begining of the end for me. I can't really work on this 95 ford psd. Its been dependable but a bit finicky. My old dodge was flawless until the day the injection pump grenaded(somebody gassed the truck for me).

The home mechanic can't really work on them, you need diagnostic equipment. As they age the electronics fail and your left with large repair bills from increasingly less knowledgable service personel. Because if you don't drive the truck for a long time you will not extract the finicial benefit of owning a diesel.

I think the market has changed a great deal too. People have gotten on the band wagon of fashionably driving a diesel because its "cheaper" in the long run. And its a fashion statement. Yet they still trade there vehicles every few years. I rairly see a late model diesel pickup doing anything other than serving as an ego extension. Its the sad truth. Ever see a 3/4ton truck pulling 2 jetskis, kinda ridiculous to think about ain't it. I rairly see them worked.
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I expected to see some FE improvement over a gasser truck. But my GM gasser 1/2 ton V6 and V8 trucks got better mileage than the 1 ton Ford diesel.

I got hosed by Ford, and I got hosed by the dealer.
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Their just trying to retain their Fix Or Repair Daily status quo, or Found On Road Dead.
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I expected to see some FE improvement over a gasser truck. But my GM gasser 1/2 ton V6 and V8 trucks got better mileage than the 1 ton Ford diesel.

I got hosed by Ford, and I got hosed by the dealer.
Did you ever have a 1 ton ford gasser of the same type to compare it by? w/o that bit of info, saying that you get better or worse mileage is kind of a crap shoot. Maybe next time you can go for a new 2500HD w/ the 6.0L diesel from chebby/gmc... MSRP is under 30k for a long bed, and the 10 year 100k powertrain warranty applies iirc. In the long run, these engines will probably be as cheap/easy to work on as the 6.9/7.3L idi diesels once the common problems get sorted (i.e. cavitation on the older fords), but for now, there's going to be a lot of risk in buying newer vehicles.
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Did you ever have a 1 ton ford gasser of the same type to compare it by? w/o that bit of info, saying that you get better or worse mileage is kind of a crap shoot. Maybe next time you can go for a new 2500HD w/ the 6.0L diesel from chebby/gmc... MSRP is under 30k for a long bed, and the 10 year 100k powertrain warranty applies iirc. In the long run, these engines will probably be as cheap/easy to work on as the 6.9/7.3L idi diesels once the common problems get sorted (i.e. cavitation on the older fords), but for now, there's going to be a lot of risk in buying newer vehicles.
I never wanted a 1 ton. I wanted a 1/2 ton. But nobody makes a 1/2 ton diesel, so I had to buy a 1 ton. An expensive, disappointing experiment.
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