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Old 03-30-2008, 03:30 PM   #1
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Meet Grumpy the Rally Van

Grumpy is my '97 Astro the I purchased for the sole purpose of entering the 2008 BA/BE Rally, which is a four day road rally from New York to New Orleans in which all vehicles entered must be bought for $250 or less.



Currently with my daily running about it gets about 16 mpg and with a 3000 mile road trip in its future I'd like to increase that. I'm looking into an air dam, blocking off the lower portion of the grill, and either adding Plexiglas over the headlights or switching to composite headlight like on my '99 Astro.

Any other aero ideas for such a rolling brick?
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Old 03-30-2008, 03:38 PM   #2
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I'm just envious of the $250!

How many miles?

More air in the tires, vortex generators for the rear, and a belly pan?
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Old 03-30-2008, 03:42 PM   #3
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Ah, I see...

LOTS of miles...

I just started an engine treatment with Auto RX

I've got 250k on my E350, so if I can just gain mileage by cleaning up the motor with the Auto RX stuff, I'd be ahead.

I need driving time on that, and I'll get that starting in a couple weeks.

I did put a small amount in our Focus (a couple ounces), just turned over 100k, and I honestly think that it cleaned some of the deposits that I normally see inside the valve cover.

Might be worth an experiement.
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Old 03-30-2008, 04:21 PM   #4
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Go wild, man! Build a "basjoos" tail piece.

On a $250 vehicle what do you have to lose?
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Wow, Big Dave. Your truck is the reason I found this site. Been reading Diesel Power since the 1st issue.

I can't really see doing a boat tail. I really like using my back doors. The fact that the keys I have don't unlock any of the doors and usually enter through an unlocked back door might have something to do with that.

How much air? What will it do to wear?

Would a belly pan be better than an air dam?
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Old 03-30-2008, 11:08 PM   #6
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I'd block the upper portion of the grill. It'll reduce drag better than blocking the lower part.

Air up the tires to the max pressure on the tire's sidewall if the tires appear to be in good condition. Check them closely, you never know with a van that cheap?
If you don't plan to carry much weight in it, try lowering it an inch or so. How much travel can the van stand to loose without hurting the ride?
Remove the side mirror. It has plenty of windows and visibility looks good.
Since it's almost the same color as cardboard, just tape on some sideskirts to cover the rear wheels.
Does the bottom of the rear bumper hang down in the airstream? You might want to get a jack and bend it up a little. Don't bend it so high it blocks the rear doors.
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Old 03-31-2008, 05:01 AM   #7
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Upper grill portion, check.

Tires are great actually, PO installed them last year. I currently have them set at 35 psi checking pressure every Saturday.

Lowering would probably be a bit cost prohibitive, that and after the rally I'm thinking about giving it a mild lift and going off roading. Need to chase my wife around in her Jeep Liberty, plus I just like the perceived wrongness of it.

I'll fold the mirrors down for interstate running, but I like to have them in urban areas.

I'll try the skirts, but Grumpy will not be brown come rally time.


Hmmm, Plexi skirts maybe, allow the wheels to be seen.

Luckily, the bumper does not hang below the body, rear doors barely clear it stock.

Oh, I should probably mention I'm on a very tight budget.

Example:
Grumpy has a weak fuel pump and requires the use of starting fluid to get going. Trying to accelerate in a hurry to merge with interstate traffic can result in the engine being starved for fuel if I hit the gas too hard. Fuel pumps for newer Astros are sold as complete fuel pump assembly units, cost more than the purchase price of the van, and thus are outside of my budget. I found someone on eBay selling generic kits to rebuild it for $30. Placing my order for scary parts today.
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Just had the realization that switching to composite headlights would require swapping out the entire grill (definitely beyond budget), going for the Plexi there. Any tips on bending it?
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Heating it gently should work, but it turns to gloop at 250C so don't overdo it.
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There is a thread here comparing belly pans and air dams. The dams work better. You could also put skirt along the running boards along with the dam. I was looking at some large SUV floor mats at a discount store, they should work for the skirts. Probably too flexible for the dam, or try the plastic garden edging. The dam and skirts would give you the benefit of lowering to the air flow.
Maybe you can mount a kamback directly to the rear doors. Otherwise vortex generators.
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