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Old 08-02-2007, 03:06 PM   #11
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jwxr7 -

Ha ha. While I was reading your mega air dam thread I was admiring your kammback. I noticed the vertical center brace. Nice touch.

Thanks for the test. You made me add it to my todo list.

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Old 08-03-2007, 05:17 AM   #12
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Thanks,

The results seem almost too good to be true. I'm probably not an awesome tester but there was an obvious difference with the first coast after I removed it. I thought, man that was way shorter distance and time.

Anyone think .05 Cd improvement is feasable for a single aero appliance such as a kammback?
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Old 08-03-2007, 05:19 AM   #13
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I'd really like to make one up. When I take off my temporary coroplast air dam I'll see what kind of gunk the duct tape leaves behind and how much of a PITA to clean it off. My car's not gorgeous but it would be worse with tape gunk residue all over.

I had a full sheet coroplast, 4' x 8'. I thought that was big enough to build nearly anything but I used it all for the temporary air dam + the belly pan to go with it. No free coroplast till electon day, dang. Plywood??? Not with duct tape. Frustration!!
WD-40 cleans off tape goo real good.

Looking forward to grill blocks on the MZ3 this fall and winter.

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Old 08-03-2007, 05:45 AM   #14
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Oh yeah bruce, I forgot to mention that I use "goo remover" from menards to remove residue left by the packing tape. I've also used mineral sprits and wd-40 with success. Duct tape can be a bit more of a B*^%$ due to the reinforcing grid that sometimes gets left behind and sometimes to goo hardens. Packing tape varies alote, most tear lengthwise when you go to pull it off, but the "duck" high performance I've been using seems tougher.
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Old 08-03-2007, 06:23 AM   #15
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your car starts to resemble a miniature version of the new renault senic

looks like you're inventing a new car rather than modding an existing one

there's been some positive report on kammbacks, yet i've noticed they're all with an open end, could the fact that they hold a pocket of non turbulent air somehow help them reduce the wake? has anyone ever rested open vs closed kammbacs? or for example, remove the rear hatch?
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Old 08-03-2007, 09:13 AM   #16
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Reading up on Kammbacks in wikipedia, it said they are like a teardrop shape (or a boattail, I'd say), just not coming to a complete point. You get most of the benefit of a complete taper without going all the way to a point.

Many of the cars designed with a Kamm back are also partially hollow - have a concave rear end. It looks like the air moves along the surface and then just keeps going, it apparently doesn't really care much whether the surface continues or not. Just my half-educated take on it.
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Old 08-03-2007, 11:04 PM   #17
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>>Anyone think .05 Cd improvement is feasable
>>for a single aero appliance such as a kammback?

Seems high to me, but depends on your starting Cd. For example, .30 to .25? Pretty hard to believe. But a square back truck at .5, I can see that. My guess is if you tighten up your testing methodology, the delta will close more towards half of what you are seeing now.... just a guess, but I have played around with this stuff some.
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Old 08-04-2007, 06:03 AM   #18
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I saw a 5% improvement from my air dam, and sometimes I doubt that number, even though it is defensible.

.05 would be something like a 20% improvement, which seems pretty high. Still, it shows you are going the right direction. As always, running more trials with and without the mod helps you to be more sure of the results.
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Old 08-06-2007, 05:47 AM   #19
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jwxr7,
I saw a VW with a nicely manufactured, shorter version of your Kamm back yesterday. Top lip was maybe 3-4 inches front to back. It had little triangle side pieces that were also about 3-4". Didn't need the center support since they were able to make it out of something pretty strong.

It was a hatchback type, sorry I didn't note which model. Maybe a Rabbit.
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Old 09-04-2009, 06:48 AM   #20
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I had the kammback off and decided some pictures may help others. Here are some shots with it laying flat. BTW I am replacing this one because the plastic has degraded and is cracking. The middle pic has a yard stick for reference and there is still old tape ragged around the edges.
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