EU, UK want to phase out diesels - Fuelly Forums

Click here for important details on the Gas Cubby v3 Free Launch

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 04-04-2017, 02:56 PM   #1
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: IL/AR
Posts: 73
Country: United States
EU, UK want to phase out diesels

Bad news for diesel connoisseurs in Europe.

The End Of Diesel Will Happen Faster Than We Expected

Reuters quote:
Quote:
The new measures will eventually take diesel cars off the roads, European Commissioner Elzbieta Bienkowska said.

“Diesel will not disappear from one day to another,” Bienkowska told EU lawmakers on Tuesday. “But after this year of work ... I am quite sure they will disappear much faster than we can imagine.”

Under the draft law, car makers would no longer directly pay testing agency - in a bid to break their cozy relationships. EU nations now have to fund car exhaust testing centers - although they may levy fees from car makers to do so.

Brussels would get powers to carry out vehicle spot-checks and levy fines, while national authorities would be able to peer-review each other’s decisions.
The War On Diesel Is Getting Serious With £20 Daily Penalties For Driving Into Cities




Carthrottle:
Quote:
That means that, say, a 2004 Ford Focus diesel would cost at least £20 a day to drive into central London, or potentially at least £32.50 a day if the mayor decides to include older diesel cars in the wider anti-pollution initiative. That would be pretty crippling, and drivers would be forced to take a huge hit on the resale value of their cars in order to swap to something newer or not diesel-powered.

Basically, if you drive an old, polluting diesel and don’t have the money to replace it, be somewhere other than London.

The bad news for diesel drivers continues, with extra taxes on new diesel cars set to be announced in the Autumn budget. Don’t rule out diesel fuel duty increases, either.
__________________

cuts_off_prius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2017, 04:57 AM   #2
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,419
Country: United States
Location: north east PA
Sounds heavy handed, or throwing the baby out with the bath water. Better testing, which Europe also needs of petrol cars, and tighter emission regulations, would require US level of emission controls on diesels. This would speed up improvements to the technology and lower the cost for both markets.

But I was behind a diesel pick up on the way home yesterday. It had the up right exhaust stacks and laid a smog bank every time the accelerator was pushed. So I understand why some would want diesels to just go away.

To paraphrase something I heard about loud motorcycles, "smokey pipes lose rights."
__________________

trollbait is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2017, 10:08 AM   #3
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,376
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Mid Wales
As always, penalise everyone in the entire country, even though pollution is only a problem in a few select cities here and there. I feel sorry for the poorer people who are forced to drive older cars, not sure how this is fair to them, they'll probably just have to give up driving all together.
__________________

Please subscribe to my YouTube channel
Draigflag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2017, 02:35 PM   #4
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Black Hills of South Dakota
Posts: 172
Country: United States
Location: Rapid City, SD
Gee.... I thought diesels in EU, England, were a bright spot? The great mileage I hear about?
What about that Mitsubishi SUV diesel that gets great mileage and is the most popular selling vehicle in England? I remember that.
How can these vehicles be polluting so badly. When they're burning such small amounts of fuel?
__________________
14Corolla is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2017, 03:20 PM   #5
Site Team / Moderator
 
Jay2TheRescue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 4,651
Country: United States
Location: Northern Virginia
Quote:
Originally Posted by trollbait View Post
Sounds heavy handed, or throwing the baby out with the bath water. Better testing, which Europe also needs of petrol cars, and tighter emission regulations, would require US level of emission controls on diesels. This would speed up improvements to the technology and lower the cost for both markets.

But I was behind a diesel pick up on the way home yesterday. It had the up right exhaust stacks and laid a smog bank every time the accelerator was pushed.
So I understand why some would want diesels to just go away.

To paraphrase something I heard about loud motorcycles, "smokey pipes lose rights."
Those types of setups are illegal as they have removed or disabled the emissions equipment on the vehicle.
__________________




Jay2TheRescue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2017, 11:03 PM   #6
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,376
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Mid Wales
Quote:
Originally Posted by 14Corolla View Post
Gee.... I thought diesels in EU, England, were a bright spot? The great mileage I hear about?
What about that Mitsubishi SUV diesel that gets great mileage and is the most popular selling vehicle in England? I remember that.
How can these vehicles be polluting so badly. When they're burning such small amounts of fuel?
Diesels are still popular making around 50% of sales in the UK, and up to 75% in parts of Europe. People love great mileage, but if they are taxed to death, people simply won't justify the extra costs. You're thinking of the Mitsubishi Plug in, which is the best selling plug in vehicle in the UK, there is a diesel version too.
__________________

Please subscribe to my YouTube channel
Draigflag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2017, 06:24 AM   #7
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,419
Country: United States
Location: north east PA
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay2TheRescue View Post
Those types of setups are illegal as they have removed or disabled the emissions equipment on the vehicle.
I am aware of that, and there are likely more gasoline cars circumventing emission controls on our roads, but this is just so blatant.

I'd like to see diesels be given a fair chance by the American public. They could be a better solution for some, and might get to large scale renewable fuel before gasoline. Rolling coal just undermines that chance, and the idiots doing it will likely blame others when the manufacturers make the systems harder to modify and eventually stop offering a diesel.

They all deserve a neighbor that plays their 180 decibel stereo at 2am.
trollbait is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2017, 01:56 PM   #8
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 122
Country: Canada
Location: Oakville, Ontario
I'm tech-agnostic, but I favor reduced harmful emissions from internal combustion engines (ICE). In my mind, what makes best sense is:
  1. Define realistic but aggressive emission targets.
  2. Define a testing methodology that reflects real-world conditions as closely as possible (therefore, real-world emissions will be close to their test-case numbers).
  3. Disallow certification for sale of new vehicles over the limit (as now).
  4. Incentivise people to drive cleaner.
This way, it doesn't matter if you're burning buffalo dung, so long as you're doing it in a legitimately clean(ish) manner.

Ultimately, we'll be driving EVs, but while we are still in the age of ICE, my proposal makes good sense.
__________________

2015 Audi Q5 "Progressiv" + S-Line + Scuba Blue, 3.0L V6 TDI
(Highest fuel economy for all Audi Q5s on Fuelly!)

SteveMak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2017, 05:24 AM   #9
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,419
Country: United States
Location: north east PA
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveMak View Post
I'm tech-agnostic, but I favor reduced harmful emissions from internal combustion engines (ICE). In my mind, what makes best sense is:
  1. Define realistic but aggressive emission targets.
  2. Define a testing methodology that reflects real-world conditions as closely as possible (therefore, real-world emissions will be close to their test-case numbers).
  3. Disallow certification for sale of new vehicles over the limit (as now).
  4. Incentivise people to drive cleaner.
This way, it doesn't matter if you're burning buffalo dung, so long as you're doing it in a legitimately clean(ish) manner.

Ultimately, we'll be driving EVs, but while we are still in the age of ICE, my proposal makes good sense.
+1
(we need a like button)
trollbait is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2017, 08:47 AM   #10
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: IL/AR
Posts: 73
Country: United States
Came across this petition via The Alliance of British Drivers. Draigflag might in interested in signing.

Please meet with FairFuelUK
__________________

cuts_off_prius is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:06 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.