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Old 01-23-2008, 11:55 AM   #41
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Ummm.... Jim? There are countless "Rights" violations to consider if you are going to take that angle and the balance of these would not rest in the hands of the people pushing the upper vehicle speed limit.
I don't "push" the upper vehicle speed limit, I'm usually 10% to 15% over it, at least on limited access highways where I spend a lot of my driving time.
In the rural/city areas I obey limits but that still doesn't give people the right to poke along at 35 in a 45 zone oblivious to all around them does it? Is a slowpokes time more valuable than my time? I think not. Does a lane blocker have any more or any less right to the road than me? I think not again. It's called common courtesy and driver's nowadays are severly lacking it. There's a lane for poking, it's the one to the far right.

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Old 01-23-2008, 03:46 PM   #42
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Do me a favor Jim, read this:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0121181408.htm

Then convince me you understand all the rights violations implied therein and that you care, and maybe I'll care about your percieved rights violations suffered at the hands of slower drivers.
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Old 01-24-2008, 04:11 AM   #43
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Do me a favor Jim, read this:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0121181408.htm

Then convince me you understand all the rights violations implied therein and that you care, and maybe I'll care about your percieved rights violations suffered at the hands of slower drivers.
And that article has exactly what to do with this?
I'm talking about manners and common courtesy, not the environment or tree huggers.
Besides, since when do rights have anything to do with science?

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You were playing the "my rights have been violated while I was trying to exceed the speed limit" card, even though you are polluting more and wasting more when you speed and honk at other people till they speed, causing more rude rights violations in the process that you can even count.

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Old 01-24-2008, 11:25 PM   #45
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You were playing the "my rights have been violated while I was trying to exceed the speed limit" card, even though you are polluting more and wasting more when you speed and honk at other people till they speed, causing more rude rights violations in the process that you can even count.

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It's obvious the "common courtesy" part went right over your head.
It must be all the hair.
If your ever in Florida look me up and I'll explain the concept of courtesy over a beer or two.

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Old 01-25-2008, 03:25 AM   #46
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<DING DING DING>

Back to your corners gentlemen!

I don't disagree with common courtesy being an issue - on both sides. On that, I think the take-away for everybody should be to try to be a little more considerate of others on the road, no matter what you drive or ride.
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Old 01-26-2008, 02:30 AM   #47
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Since when has it been illegal to drive slower than the posted speed limit? You may not like it or think that people aren't exhibiting common courtesy but unless you are in the vehicle with the other driver you really don't know why they are driving slowly. People don't have the "right" to drive either faster or slower than the posted limits, they have the priviledge, and the state can take that away from you.
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Old 01-26-2008, 03:16 AM   #48
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From the Oregon Revised Statutes:
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811.130 Impeding traffic; penalty. (1) A person commits the offense of impeding traffic if the person drives a motor vehicle or a combination of motor vehicles in a manner that impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable movement of traffic.
(2) A person is not in violation of the offense described under this section if the person is proceeding in a manner needed for safe operation.
(3) Proceeding in a manner needed for safe operation includes but is not necessarily limited to:
(a) Momentarily stopping to allow oncoming traffic to pass before making a right-hand or left-hand turn.
(b) Momentarily stopping in preparation of, or moving at an extremely slow pace while, negotiating an exit from the road.
(4) A person is not in violation of the offense described under this section if the person is proceeding as part of a funeral procession under the direction of a funeral escort vehicle or a funeral lead vehicle.
(5) The offense described in this section, impeding traffic, is a Class D traffic violation. [1983 c.338 ?569; 1985 c.16 ?288; 1989 c.433 ?1; 1991 c.482 ?18; 1995 c.383 ?45]
Notice it specifically states 'motor vehicle'. Apparently this means the bicyclists can do whatever they want! :P
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I know locales where it is illegal to use your horn unnecessarily, i.e. not an emergency.
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Old 01-26-2008, 07:42 AM   #50
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From the Oregon Revised Statutes:


Notice it specifically states 'motor vehicle'. Apparently this means the bicyclists can do whatever they want! :P
And states are finaly passing laws (Oklahoma) allowing LEO's to start ticketing the "left lane bandits" that seem to be multiplying like rabbits.
If your not passing, move right. ------------>
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