Comprehensive Alternative Fuel Plan? - Fuelly Forums

Android Users - Coming Soon! - Migrating from aCar 4.8 to 5.0

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 07-19-2008, 03:20 PM   #1
Registered Member
 
bowtieguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,873
Country: United States
Location: orlando, florida
Comprehensive Alternative Fuel Plan?

www.pickensplan.com

when i visited it, this site had some issues, but i think you'll get the gist of it.

thoughts?

do the libs understand? import oil is FOUR TIMES the cost of the war in iraq!
__________________

bowtieguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2008, 03:31 PM   #2
Registered Member
 
civic_matic_00's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 101
Country: United States
Quote:
Originally Posted by bowtieguy View Post
www.pickensplan.com

when i visited it, this site had some issues, but i think you'll get the gist of it.

thoughts?

do the libs understand? import oil is FOUR TIMES the cost of the war in iraq!
you just have to wonder what liberals are really thinking. they don't like the war, yet they want to keep importing oil. they come up with all the various reasons that have been proven false and yet they still want to keep sending billions of dollars to foreign countries.

Pickens has an awesome plan, but I guarantee you that many liberals will block it.

it's totally unbelievable.
__________________

__________________
civic_matic_00 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2008, 03:39 PM   #3
Registered Member
 
civic_matic_00's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 101
Country: United States
While we try to use less gas, Congress now want to increase the gas tax.


http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/19/news...ney_topstories

Why the gas tax could go up
Proposals for a gas tax holiday faltered over job losses - and now lawmakers need to come up with money to repair roads.


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The political vision of a summer gas tax holiday died a quick death in Congress, losing to a view that federal excise taxes on gasoline and diesel fuel will have to go up if they go anywhere.

Despite calls from the presidential campaign trail for a Memorial Day-to-Labor Day tax freeze, lawmakers quickly concluded - with a prod from the construction industry - that having $9 billion less to spend on highways could create a pre-election specter of thousands of lost jobs.

Now, lawmakers quietly are talking about raising fuel taxes by a dime from the current 18.4 cents a gallon on gasoline and 24.3 cents on diesel fuel.

With gas prices setting records daily, Republican presidential hopeful John McCain and former Democratic candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton called for a 90-day suspension of the federal fuel tax to give drivers a little relief at the pump. The fuel taxes go into the Highway Trust Fund, which is used for road construction and repair and mass transit.

Clinton suggested making up for the loss by imposing a windfall profit tax on oil companies, an idea that Republicans rejected. McCain said the money could come out of the general Treasury fund, in effect adding to the federal deficit, and is still getting mileage from the idea.

"Some economists don't think much of my gas tax holiday," he said in a speech this month. "But the American people like it, and so do small business owners."

Barack Obama, the likely Democratic nominee, opposed the idea from the beginning and the White House gave it a cold shoulder. Depriving the 52-year-old Highway Trust Fund of $9 billion at a time when it is heading into the red doomed the notion of a gas tax holiday in Congress.

The chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, Rep. James Oberstar, and the chairman of the highway subcommittee, Rep. Peter DeFazio, presented fellow lawmakers with a list of how many jobs and how much money each state would lose. It ranged from $30 million and 1,000 jobs in Vermont to $664 million and 23,000 jobs in California.

"Because the trust fund is already looking at a looming shortfall, it would have moved project cancellations into the construction season," DeFazio, D-Ore., said in an interview. He said it was "highly unlikely" that oil companies would have passed savings along to consumers.

Just three years ago, that trust fund enjoyed a surplus of $10 billion. Even without a tax freeze, the fund is projected to finish 2009 with a deficit of $3 billion. That that could grow as Americans drive less and buy less gas because of higher pump prices.

The consequence is that only about $27 billion in federal money will be available next year to states and local governments for new infrastructure investment even though the current highway act calls for spending $41 billion a year. For many, the solution is to raise rather than suspend or cut federal fuel taxes, which haven't changed since 1993.

The Transportation Construction Coalition, a group of industry companies and unions, said that if Congress does not do something about the shortfall, states will lose about one-third of their road and bridge money in the budget year starting Oct. 1. That would put 485,000 more jobs at risk.

That message carried the day this summer. But now Congress has the bigger task of dealing with the short-term deficit crisis in the fund and coming up with a new spending plan, including revisiting the gas tax issue, when the current six-year, $286 billion highway-transit act expires in September 2009.

Senate Democrats in May tried to add $5 billion to an aviation overhaul bill to replenish the highway trust fund next year; Republicans objected. Democrats tried again in June, but this time for $8 billion; Republicans objected to that, too.

Congress should first reduce spending on pet projects, known as earmarks, argued Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C. "I'm not going to let the Senate spend all this money when nobody is looking, especially when we refuse to stop wasting billions of taxpayer dollars on earmarks."

Oberstar, D-Minn., said his committee is working on the next long-term highway bill. He estimated it will take between $450 billion and $500 billion over six years to address safety and congestion issues with highways, bridges and transit systems.

"We'll put all things on the table," Oberstar said, but the gas tax "is the cornerstone. Nothing else will work without the underpinning of the higher user fee gas tax."

At the very least, the gas tax should be indexed to construction cost inflation, DeFazio said.

The nonpartisan National Surface Transportation Policy and Revenue Study Commission concluded in a report this year that the U.S. needs to spend $225 billion annually over the next 50 years to create a highway and transit system capable of sustaining strong economic growth. Current spending, at federal, state and local levels, is about $90 billion a year.

Among other revenue-raising possibilities, the commission recommended gradually increasing the current federal fuel taxes to 40 cents a gallon.

The American Road & Transportation Builders Association is calling for a 10-cent-a-gallon raise and indexing the tax to inflation. With construction costs soaring because of competition for building materials from China and other developing nations, the tax rate would have to be about 29 cents a gallon to achieve the same purchasing power as the 18.4-cent rate imposed in 1993, the association says.

Including state and local levies, people in the U.S. pay about 47 cents on average in taxes for a gallon of gasoline. Fuel in many European countries costs $8 to $9 a gallon, with half or more of that going to taxes.

Other ideas that will be on the table when lawmakers write a bill next year including more toll roads and public-private partnerships, congestion pricing and user fees where drivers pay a tax based on how many miles they drive.

==========================================

they scoffed at McCain for suggesting a suspension of the gas tax...this is why, they want to increase it instead of suspending it.

this is what the democratic congress' solution to high gas prices....an increase in taxes instead of increasing the supply.
__________________
civic_matic_00 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2008, 04:27 PM   #4
Registered Member
 
bowtieguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,873
Country: United States
Location: orlando, florida
Civic Matic,

excellent posts! increasing/creating taxes is an economic nightmare. the proliferation of taxation, in theory, could be infinite.

this registered independant often leans to the right for this reason. both sides are corrupt, but at least the right wants less of my money. and that means less waste.

where does taxation end? 40%, 50, 75...

"Just a little more" correct?
bowtieguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2008, 07:18 PM   #5
Registered Member
 
civic_matic_00's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 101
Country: United States
Quote:
Originally Posted by bowtieguy View Post
Civic Matic,

excellent posts! increasing/creating taxes is an economic nightmare. the proliferation of taxation, in theory, could be infinite.

this registered independant often leans to the right for this reason. both sides are corrupt, but at least the right wants less of my money. and that means less waste.

where does taxation end? 40%, 50, 75...

"Just a little more" correct?
I'm registered as independent as well. it's easy to see what the correct move regarding gas prices should be. it is hard to understand how the democrats could promise to lower gas prices if they get control of Congress and then talk about increasing the tax. anyone can see how that move will never help lower gas prices.

it's always the same with the democrats, increase taxes no matter what type of hardship it would bring to those who can't afford it. they claim that they want to lower taxes for the lower income and middle clas families....well, even if they lower income taxes for a little bit, they always find other taxes to increase to raplace it. even Al Gore's energy "plan" calls for a new carbon tax which he claims would come from a lowered payroll tax. So Al's plan would jeoperdize the already endangered Social Security system to pay for his so called "alternative energy plan."

really makes you wonder how in the world these people got into office in the first place. it's not that I side with republicans all the time, but lower taxes is always a better economic incentive than the "tax and spend" ideology of democrats.
__________________
civic_matic_00 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2008, 03:29 PM   #6
Registered Member
 
bowtieguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,873
Country: United States
Location: orlando, florida
Quote:
Originally Posted by civic_matic_00 View Post
really makes you wonder how in the world these people got into office in the first place.
because the dumbmasses continue voting for them!

thank you Bortz.
bowtieguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2008, 03:34 PM   #7
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 256
Country: United States
Quote:
Originally Posted by bowtieguy View Post
because the dumbmasses continue voting for them!

thank you Bortz.
Now it's time to vote them OUT of office.
__________________
Dave
GasSavers_GasUser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2008, 07:07 PM   #8
Registered Member
 
civic_matic_00's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 101
Country: United States
I agree! it's time to vote them out!
__________________

__________________
civic_matic_00 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Incorrect Milage Calcuatlion PatM Fuelly Web Support and Community News 4 07-17-2009 08:21 PM
Missing Fuelup jmonty Fuelly Web Support and Community News 3 05-27-2009 05:10 AM
All Licensed Drivers terrapin Fuelly Web Support and Community News 0 08-07-2008 10:49 AM
Why did it take me so long to find this place? Baranfin Introduce Yourself - New member Welcome 6 05-31-2008 05:17 PM
hi new member here and ive got some sick ideas! csrmel Introduce Yourself - New member Welcome 6 10-18-2007 02:23 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:27 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.