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Old 04-11-2006, 07:35 PM   #11
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i wouldnt respond to that

i wouldnt respond to that thread because **to a degree** he is right.

buying cameras and lcd screens to replace the mirrors seems a bit unreasonable as well as the superMID, even though it is quite a potent indirect investment.

other mods, such as the underbody tray, do have an associated cost, but in the long run definitely are useful in saving gas and reducing white noise, as well as increasing your mph at the end of the 1/4 mile.

some people are in this for bragging rights, some for the eco system, and some because they are poor. the reseason(s) for modifying for fuel economy dictate which mods are made.
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Old 04-11-2006, 07:37 PM   #12
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Waiter, could you please

Waiter, could you please reseason this steak, it's a bit bland!

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Old 04-11-2006, 09:24 PM   #13
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Old 04-11-2006, 09:31 PM   #14
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Most cars being sold now days still lack a bellypan, something the automakers could add to a car for well under $20, which would improve fuel economy an entire 1-2 mpg with absolutely no loss in performance or safety.
Ya, I never understood that... they are on some higher performance vehicles and some luxury cars, but there isn't any real reason they shouldn't be on all vehicles. As you pointed out, they will reduce fuel consumption, decrease road and wind noise, and improve high speed stability. They only downside I could see is the added time (thus cost) when changing oil and doing other maint that requires the removale of the pan.

I've gotta wonder where these ideas get shot down inside GM / Ford / Honda... I can't believe that the engineers would be so shortsighted as to overlook a belly pan.
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Old 04-11-2006, 09:58 PM   #15
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i wouldnt respond to that thread because **to a degree** he is right.

buying cameras and lcd screens to replace the mirrors seems a bit unreasonable as well as the superMID, even though it is quite a potent indirect investment.

other mods, such as the underbody tray, do have an associated cost, but in the long run definitely are useful in saving gas and reducing white noise, as well as increasing your mph at the end of the 1/4 mile.

some people are in this for bragging rights, some for the eco system, and some because they are poor. the reseason(s) for modifying for fuel economy dictate which mods are made.
Viewed from a cost POV, most modifications won't pay for themselves. Hell, even LRR tires MIGHT not pay for themselves considering they usually don't last as long as regular tires. Of course modifications like lighter rims, computers, new engines, transmissions, etc. etc. won't probably ever pay for themselves.

Just for a little perspective, here is what I've purchased for my car:

This is a list of strictly MPG related stuff:

new engine - $550 total ($200 shipping)
new transmission - $110 total ($60 shipping)
new ECU - $25
o2 sensor - $25
cat/downpipe - $20
VX rims/tires - $250 total
New throwout bearing - $50
new timing belt - $30
new water pump - $40


then there are the costs of fixing up my car, including 3 new doors, a fender, a hood, new seats (front and back), new molding, new weather stripping (all the way around - not cheap), new window regulators (just arrived today!), new taillights, and of course replacing the head gasket last year which cost about a third of the price of the car. I also purchased paint, loads of primer, bondo, air tools, a HLVP paint gun, etc.

I've spent the value of this car at least twice over. I will never get that money back. I also do it because I love it. The money pit that is my car is MY CAR. I've learned a lot and I'm working towards a goal.

In the end racing for fuel economy is no different than racing for horse power. It's all a race towards a goal. There is no realistic ROI, but at least we have a better shot of a ROI than the guys who just bought the new Honda Civic Hybrid instead of the civic LX.

I guess it's all about perspective in this case.

For us it's a hobby, one which we love. i don't think you should ever expect to make money on your hobby.
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the new civic does feature a

the new civic does feature a rear belly deffuser. You don't really have to block the oil pan to put some aero mods in the front. I didn't.
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i'd tell him he is a

i'd tell him he is a complete tard *** for not spending his entire income on researching ways to better the worlds environmental crisis...

hi (insert wave here)

people who dont believe in change for the better, i will always look down on...
that kid thinks money is worth more than anything...his first mistake
obviously he is young...etc
the whole 'spend' attitude...
it comes down to how much we lazy americans are going to allow a government to decide what economy means...
pay your taxes or you are going to jail...even if you dont believe in your governments direction or actions
hey...i just live here...is it illegal to watch too...???
to watch them ride off with your pride...fooling you into believing that these dollar bills which came from trees are worth more than the ground you stand on....because it was processed...and looks like something you can believe in...or something...???
try turning off your tv for a couple years...it will be the best thing you ever do in your life

thats what i would tell him
link me to the thread so i can...
thanx

oh i forgot...the government already 'owns' every inch of land from sea to shining sea...
and they clearly know whats best for it...
silly me

wait until they try and shut off the solar system
http://www.weatherwars.info/index.php?news_id=6&start=0&category_id=10&parent_ id=0&arcyear=&arcmonth=
http://www.weatherwars.info/soho.htm

you know it never ceases to amaze what you are and aren't willing to believe...
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Re: i'd tell him he is a

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i'd tell him he is a complete tard *** for not spending his entire income on researching ways to better the worlds environmental crisis...

hi (insert wave here)

people who dont believe in change for the better, i will always look down on...
that kid thinks money is worth more than anything...his first mistake
obviously he is young...etc
the whole 'spend' attitude...
it comes down to how much we lazy americans are going to allow a government to decide what economy means...
pay your taxes or you are going to jail...even if you dont believe in your governments direction or actions
hey...i just live here...is it illegal to watch too...???
to watch them ride off with your pride...fooling you into believing that these dollar bills which came from trees are worth more than the ground you stand on....because it was processed...and looks like something you can believe in...or something...???
try turning off your tv for a couple years...it will be the best thing you ever do in your life

thats what i would tell him
link me to the thread so i can...
thanx

oh i forgot...the government already 'owns' every inch of land from sea to shining sea...
and they clearly know whats best for it...
silly me

wait until they try and shut off the solar system
http://www.weatherwars.info/index.php?news_id=6&start=0&category_id=10&parent_ id=0&arcyear=&arcmonth=
http://www.weatherwars.info/soho.htm

you know it never ceases to amaze what you are and aren't willing to believe...
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i cant wait to buy a 90mpg

i cant wait to buy a 90mpg engine in a junkyard for $750
i guess thats relativity for ya
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