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Old 02-13-2009, 12:40 PM   #1
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Poor, lonely HHO forum.

The price of gas really has changed things around here...

As of right now the HHO forum hasn't had a single post since 01/07(over a month). That used to be one of the more popular topics on here.

Is it really just a gas saving... scam?

As I type this I see an ad for doubling my mileage with water for fuel. Look to the top right, it's probably there. Always is for me.
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Old 02-13-2009, 01:33 PM   #2
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There is energy in water, From what I can tell, the only problem is that the energy required to break the bonds is greater than the energy you get from burning the resulting products. This isn't a problem if you are using wind, solar, or hydroelectric to break the water apart, but when you are using gasoline (alternator energy) I just don't see how it can effectively work. I think the gains people are seeing are due to modifying the data that the computer receives, and leaning the engine out - not from actually burning the HHO gas.

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Old 02-13-2009, 03:07 PM   #3
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the energy required to break the bonds is greater than the energy you get from burning the resulting products.
By definition, that means it is the opposite of energy. It is, in fact, the waste from reactions that release energy.

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This isn't a problem if you are using wind, solar, or hydroelectric to break the water apart
If you do that, you're not running on water-combustion power or HHO power, you're running on wind/solar/hydroelectric power that was stored in water by converting it to HHO.

If storing some other energy in HHO then releasing it is more efficient than storing it in a battery, great. In fact, for my purposes, even if it's not it could still be great -- I really enjoy internal combustion engines, so if the dinosaur juice runs out HHO could be an alternative way to deliver combustion fuel. Just let's call a spade a spade here; water/HHO is for energy storage, not an energy source.
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Thanks, That's what I was getting at, you just explained it better.

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thus the concept of the hydrogen fuel cell vehicle.
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