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Old 09-11-2007, 08:26 AM   #141
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Yeast in mash ain't right? Have you ever savored a sip of good single malt? TELL me that ain't right!
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Old 09-11-2007, 01:02 PM   #142
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I've thought about it, and skewbe's right; we must not die off. Think of all the greenhouse gasses our rotting corpses would give off. It would have a devastating effect on the ecosystem.
Anyway, don't you evolutionists embrace this kind of calamity? It's just this kind of stressor that forces evolution to happen, right? And if all life is sacred, why not let the human race be eclipsed by whatever evolves next? What makes you so special that you would deny your mutant progeny even the very chance of existence?
BTW (yeah, I know that acronym), that funny noise is me trying to type with my tongue in my cheek.
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Old 09-11-2007, 01:07 PM   #143
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I can agree to that... I remember how angry I got when my first roommate in college actually called his father to ask who to vote for as he filled out his absent T. Mind you, I gave him a few non partisan websites to go to in order to become informed....

But that's the system - experience candidates and informed voters unnecessary. But all that said, actually voting is a big step.



That's what I was getting at -- the opportunities that the big two have come once a certain percentage of voters support an external party. I, for one, am not a big fan of two dominating parties - 3 larger parties would be much better in my opinion. But, I think the problem stems down from the attitude of "both sides of the story." Starting in grade school we've taught two sides of a story - when, in reality we can find many different "sides" of the same story. A two sided diamond isn't exactly spectacular :/
thanks Treb for considering my view. no hard feelings on the name calling ok. very passionate about certain convictions and today is a good day to bury the hatchet. happy Patriots Day everyone! thank you to all military,emergency,police,etc. personnel around the globe securing our safety now and future.
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:16 PM   #144
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So is there a correlation of denying women (and possibly other groups and species) rights among the various manifestations of the old testament into belief systems?
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:35 PM   #145
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Anyway, don't you evolutionists embrace this kind of calamity?
It's a fundamental paradox. If you know the future - will that future become reality?

The capability of making predictions adds a twist. As many have heard, quoted etc. Those fit will survive. If we can regulate population - we can avoid the nasty feedback loop of overpopulation in which overpopulation causes a fall in population which then causes an increase of smaller magnitude followed by a fall of even smaller magnitude until a balance is reached.

No one likes getting kicked off the plane because of overbooking. And surely, those kicked off would be especially pissed if they kicked off too many people and let a few people on standby on board

The decrease "falls" are rather unpleasant for the surviving populace. And if this is recognized, and acted on - we can continue, fit to our current capabilities, with one gradual rise to capacity until a change (environmental, technological, etc..).


Very few people actually embrace disaster. What is "embraced" is a recognition of genetic change to increase survival odds.
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Old 09-12-2007, 12:36 PM   #146
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So embrace whatever genetic change arises to allow the species to withstand UV rays and a few more degrees. If evolution really happens, now's the time to put up or...
You'se probably guessed, evolution isn't where I've stacked my chips.
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It happens that fast if you examine something like bacteria. But we'll have to up our reproduction and fatality rates if we hope to see something similar in ourselves.
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It happens that fast if you examine something like bacteria. But we'll have to up our reproduction and fatality rates if we hope to see something similar in ourselves.
So there's something rather interesting I learned over the summer... A person I was working with was a "meatatarian" - and not by choice. Imagine if eating most vegetables equaled as many 9V batteries on your tongue.

So there's this subset of the population that are hypersensitive to certain compounds found in most vegetables - purely genetic. The result is - broccoli burns, cabbage is nauseating, sprouts are a nightmare -- I think you get the idea. So my friend is a "meatatarian" for this reason - his diet consists mostly of red meat and pastas.

Oh cholesterol you say? A diet like that, for a human, would result in that population dieing off. Well, that's where things get interesting. This same subset of the population has another cool genetic advantage - naturally low cholesterol. From an evolutionary standpoint, bitter food isn't such a great thing (in some cases, it will protect you from poisons - other cases, limit diet). But, given that genetic trait - low cholesterol is a genetic bonus...
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Yeah, I know. Heart disease and associated illnesses are unknown among Inuits living a traditional 5,000 to 8,000 calories-a-day of animal meat and fat, with only seasonal berries and greens during their very short warm season. Give 'em a "western diet" and they curl up 'n die in no time. Some say they've genetically "adapted" to that high-fat diet of blubber-n-such. Why won't mankind eventually adapt to UV's and heat? I mean, not everyone will, but the ones that do will procreate, etc. etc.
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Why won't mankind eventually adapt to UV's and heat? I mean, not everyone will, but the ones that do will procreate, etc. etc.
No one said that it couldn't/wouldn't/hasn't happen(ed)... Body hair thickness is a somewhat decent metric though - a consistently moving population makes it a little less reliable though (after all, we do travel more than 20mi from where we were born nowadays ). It also doesn't foster a genetic change when we stay sheltered for much of our lives... While not evolutionary on a genetic scale, it still exemplifies the fit (those with shelter) surviving compared to those without shelter (and pass from exposure).

The question is -- should we need that adaptation... will the things that support us move along at the same rate (such as food supply).

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