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Old 09-07-2007, 03:09 PM   #61
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Speaking of which, dont forget that Sept 19 is "talk like a pirate day".
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Old 09-07-2007, 03:15 PM   #62
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Speaking of which, dont forget that Sept 19 is "talk like a pirate day".
Can you dress like a pirate on that day, too? I like the "full effect!"
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Old 09-07-2007, 03:17 PM   #63
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Sure, maybe we can trick his noodliness into reversing global warming that way (shhh!!!)
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Old 09-07-2007, 03:19 PM   #64
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Speaking of which, dont forget that Sept 19 is "talk like a pirate day".
what about Sept 9...hannitys America (on FOX) will show mister GW himself getting off his gulfstream jet.
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Can you dress like a pirate on that day, too? I like the "full effect!"
I'm going out in full regalia
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Old 09-07-2007, 03:26 PM   #66
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Still, it could be better here. There are alarming cases of rape victims in the US being told by their family (cult/whatever) not to say anything. I think women still have to deal with various permutations of being blamed for that original sin crap every day, regardless of their own spiritual beliefs, and were even the last group given the right to vote. I would not mind if Hillary took the oval office just on principal, hard to imagine the next person could possibly do a worse job
Please, not another Clinton! IF you do support her as the best of the big tickets, answer me two questions...are you a woman? and secondly do you support socialized medicine and related ultra increased taxes?
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Better socialized medicine than socialized tax exemptions... Or do you feel sorry for those poor, poor billionaires? They'll never become trillionaires without a little help from our government.
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Old 09-07-2007, 03:34 PM   #68
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Hah, "THE" alternate point of view IS a "red flag" in this case and isn't even worth acknowledging in some cases, usually being rooted in mythology or lack of understanding. Some examples:

1. Mythology is a better explanation than evolution
2. The earth is only 5000 years old and dinosaurs and people lived together
3. Science should consider mythological explanations that have zero evidence to be of equal value as the evidence at hand.
4. Scientists always belive they are absolutely right, that they are not humbled and made more rigorous by past assertions that were proven false.






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fascists? they came already remember?--flying jets into our buildings. or do you prefer naming the catholics...i'm not catholic by the way.
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Old 09-07-2007, 03:46 PM   #69
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Better socialized medicine than socialized tax exemptions... Or do you feel sorry for those poor, poor billionaires? They'll never become trillionaires without a little help from our government.
it's more than obvious that many do not understand the implications of socialized medicine. true enough, ALL people deserve healthcare. but ask Canadians or Great Britains how long they wait for services and why some of them come here for medical treatment. do not have the answer, but, as ALWAYS,stand unbiased looking at both sides. this agenda would be disasterous! anyone from Puerto Rico? what happened to that socialist state?
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Firstly, France has a ban on data collected based on ethnicity or religion...
But since we're using unofficial data sets.... A majority of the Muslim population in France are not citizens (dealing the same same problems the US non citizens have to deal with) - additionally, "second generation immigrants" must apply for citizenship at adulthood (a requirement being competent in speaking French). But ask France how many Arabic people reside in France -- they can't tell you and numbers range from 1.5-4.5+ million.
And finally, the Arabic unemployment that are citizens residing in France.... 5.2% -- but really, I hate statistics as they can be tweaked to suite you needs. Especially unofficial.

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Ok, this is what I thought but was not sure of. From my POV, the Muslims in Europe are similar to the Hispanics in and of the USA, aka a cheap labor force. In Europe, some of them are not "citizens" and in our case, some of them are illegal. From what I understand, the Muslins were brought to Europe after WWII to help post-war reconstruction, but are no longer needed in the same numbers as in the past.

Would you agree with this analogy? Do you think the Muslims of Europe would identify with our now-defunct/infamous Sombrero guest-worker program? From the few Europeans I have spoken with, the analogy breaks down when we consider that our cheap labor force is of the same "mainstream religion" as the USA, while the Muslims in Europe are (obviously) not.

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Some translated excerpts... "All the citizens, being equal, are equally admissible to all dignities, places, and employments, according to their capacity and without distinction other than that of their virtues and of their talents." - Article VI
Since some of the Muslims are not citizens, aren't all bets off in terms of how they are treated?

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