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Old 05-21-2008, 04:30 AM   #21
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It is pointless trying to reason with people determined to deceive themselves.
They can make themselves believe ANYTHING.
These are known as Republicans?
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Leading the perpetually ignorant and uninformed into the light of scientific knowledge. Did I really say that?

a new policy....I intend to ignore the nescient...a waste of time and energy.
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Old 05-21-2008, 11:00 AM   #22
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If this actually worked and you could achieve big power and big savings why wouldn't a car company offer it? A car with too much power, that's too big and doesn't cost anything to drive. Hmm I wonder; how well that would sell?
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Old 05-21-2008, 11:10 AM   #23
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liability and service life.... they've got to be 100% sure that it's not gonna blow up in the face of Joe Average, when he smacks it with a tire iron while he's changing his air filter, and they've probably gotta warranty it for 3 years or so. Don't forget it has to be freeze proof, relatively maintenance free, and not gum up when it inevitably gets tap water, ditch water, mississippi river water, florida swamp water etc etc put into it, nor blow up when, speedi-lubes latest half stoned high school dropout oil pan thread stripper tops it up with power steering fluid. So, when they can be assed spending $50 million on R+D to make the perfect foolproof HHO cell is when you'll see it in production cars. Meanwhile instead of investing to improve FE, chrysler seems to think it's worthwhile to put a few millions into subsidising gas for it's customers instead.
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Old 05-21-2008, 12:02 PM   #24
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So if it's so easy and so great where's the data to back it up? Who converted their car?
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Old 05-23-2008, 12:20 PM   #25
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If anybody questions the validity of using hydrogen as a fuel, why would NASA be so interested in finding ICE on other planets? Of course, you could make rocket fuel from ice with the right equipment, they have been making devices like that for years. S0 why not use hydrogen generated by hydrolysis to use in an IC engine?
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Old 07-19-2008, 07:44 PM   #26
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I don't see any flaw with the 60% claim.

Guy about 75 miles from me was selling his '94 Suburban and it was getting 13 city, 17 highway, in line with EPA ratings for that model. He added an HHO kit of some kind and the truck got 17 city, 22 highway. The mileage increase was not due to driving techniques, because it was his WIFE's truck and she was not informed of the HHO system and didn't think to drive differently to maximize the mileage. A blind test if you will.

Say the engine was 20% efficient before, and is now 32% efficient (60% improvement). The mileage increased by about 30%, half of the improvement. But 30% is 2.5 times 12%, the change in efficiency. I imagine some of the HHO injected returned to a water state, and helped burn off the carbon in the engine that had built up over 150K or so before the system was installed. I think full-size trucks and SUV's can greatly benefit from these HHO systems, and if I get a chance I will put a setup in my 454 TBI Suburban. Right now I'm getting a constant 10-11mpg regardless of driving habits or AC usage or added cargo/passenger weight. If I can increase that by 30%, then I'm looking at 13-14mpg. For such a seldom used vehicle whose sole purpose is hauling all 7 of our kids, moving more cargo than my wife's car can carry, or towing a travel trailer, it would be a very welcome improvement. The $160 it takes to fill the 40-gallon tank would take me 120-160 miles further per tank. If the HHO system costs me $300 to install, then I will make that money back in 6-7 tanks. If I can get it done for the $120 this guy claims to have spent, then it will only take 3 tanks to realize the savings.

Of course that's 2 months of driving in that truck (10K/year), but I plan to keep it for at least 5 years until our two oldest are in college and I can look at 7-passenger vehicles with 4500-5000lb towing capacity, and by then I might be able to get away with a 1994-1996 Caprice/Roadmaster wagon (LT1 V8, overdrive automatic) and get 24-26mpg highway. 5 years of driving getting 13mpg instead of 10mpg will save me about $4600 at $4/gallon. More than enough to buy a very well kept jellybean wagon.

Oh, and I found a 2000 Saturn SL for a commuter, silver, 5-speed, just like my last one. Wrecked in front but only needs the core support, radiator, headlights, and a hood. High hit so no bumper or fender damage, and it runs smooth and still has cold air. Radiator is technically good but supports are cracked and I won't be able to make the cooling fan work until it's replaced. $600 car, so even though I prefer 80s bare-bones economy cars I don't think I can pass this deal up. EPA on those was what, 29 city, 40 highway? And there's someone on here with an SL1 who regularly gets 50-55mpg. Take off the power steering and other bits, add his wheel skirts and other bits, and I'm not too far from 60mpg. Forget the Insights selling for ten times that much with 200K on them.
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I imagine some of the HHO injected returned to a water state, and helped burn off the carbon in the engine that had built up over 150K or so before the system was installed.
That can be done at much lower cost with few additives and should only restore factory original mileage. What I want to see is an engine meticulously maintained and modified already getting well beyond factory mileage and have an HHO kit improve it even more.
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Old 07-21-2008, 03:44 AM   #28
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Yeah, it makes you want to smack your head against a wall when you see things like "My minivan only got 14mpg and now it gets 21mpg that's 50% improvement, with this bolt in a jar/pill in the tank etc" or "This mid size sedan only got 20 now it gets 30" ... ... ... ... half the time you're thinking, "well I could have had that for an afternoon and got 5mpg better without that gizmo"
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Does nobody have a problem using water or food sources for energy? It will be hard to drive anywhere on water if you are parched or hungry. They are finite sources of energy that are most important for thier intended use...substanance! Calling CORN a replentishable resource is falacious. It uses water and land resources that are at a premium. Solar power is on the opposite end of that spectrum...it comes from outside our planet. Wind power is generated from sources that also do not use up natural resources.
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