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Old 10-17-2008, 06:27 AM   #1
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why hydrogen as an energy source for vehicles will fail.

http://www.dailytech.com/Inside+The+...ticle13199.htm

i would hate to give a synopsis as everyone should read this article. we may not see $1 per gallon but that is a lot cheaper than corn or sugar. furthermore it removes commuters from the market war over food and will not need government subsidies.

just so i am perfectly clear: i was against ethanol until this.
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Hydrogen is not and can not be an energy source because we don't have any. Instead, we have to make it -- we split it out of other materials, like H2O, using reactions that are the opposite of the reaction we're going to use to recombine it and release energy (the energy that was stored by splitting it).

There's quite a bit of scientific-sounding stuff in that, but do they say what they're using for the energy/material source? If it's referring to the same project as the last article I read about GM's ethanol investments, then IIRC they're using materials from the waste stream...a Very Good Thing, IMO.
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good call on the key word source. the point i am trying to make is that efforts for HHO from manufacturers may be somewhat in vain as fuel costs could drop along with concerns of efficiency for the sake of being "energy independent".

the only current drawback of this technology is the amount of water that is needed per gallon of fuel.
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I wonder how much it costs to run that 20,000 degrees F "plasma torch"...
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I'd be unsure how this would really affect the market place for the consumer.

This ethanol would be made inexpensively, but then would be sold on the ethanol market at a price. I would doubt that they would give it away, but I would bet that they would sell it at market value, hence why a company the size of GM would be interested in investing.

With continued mandates for ethanol, demand is required and prices remain high. How much are they making currently? None, so there is no way for them to currently affect prices.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

The production of slag is interesting in that it was originally sourced from the steel industry and it is used in road building. With less steel manufacturing in the US slag availability has gone down. Alternatives are available, but there is a cost difference.
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Great post, Hydrogen is not a source but instead a product.

Another food for thought on the subject of energy sources, oil is not a source either, but instead a product because it requires a massive amount of electricity to produce.

Electricity is the purest source of energy we have. At night, our nation's power plants produce excess power that could easily be stored in electric cars on the grid.

You knew I was going to bring this up!
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Electricity is a source now? Only if you're flying giant boxkites in the solar wind.
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