Crazy or good idea? - Fuelly Forums

Click here to see important news regarding the aCar App

Go Back   Fuelly Forums > Fuel Talk > General Fuel Topics
Today's Posts Search Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 06-14-2011, 05:17 AM   #1
Registered Member
 
theholycow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 6,624
Country: United States
Send a message via ICQ to theholycow Send a message via AIM to theholycow Send a message via MSN to theholycow Send a message via Yahoo to theholycow
Lightbulb Crazy or good idea?

I had a thought this morning about modern fuel injection systems: What about one O2 sensor per cylinder?

Currently V-engines use one O2 sensor per bank (not counting the post-cat sensors) to make sure each bank gets its mixture controlled separately from the other, in case there's any difference. Well, then it's still averaging the cylinders in that bank...why not sense each cylinder and avoid treating them all the same? There's already one injector per cylinder, so it's just a matter of pairing O2 sensors to the injectors, monitoring individual sensors, and controlling their paired injectors.

They'd have to be right at the top of the exhaust manifold, obviously. They couldn't reasonably be wideband; I can't imagine that any amount of fuel economy or longevity from adjusting individual cylinders' fuel injection would ever pay back that kind of investment. Would individual narrowband sensors be better than single wideband sensors (common in the past few years)? Could they compliment each other?
__________________

__________________
This sig may return, some day.
theholycow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2011, 07:53 AM   #2
Registered Member
 
IndyFetch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 628
Country: United States
Location: Ohio
Re: Crazy or good idea?

That's a nifty idea. If nothing else, it would help out in diagnostics. It would take much less time to identify which cylinder has a problem.
__________________

IndyFetch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2011, 08:29 AM   #3
Site Team
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 658
Country: United States
Re: Crazy or good idea?

A more effective (and cheaper) route might be to put EGT sensors in all exhaust ports. You can use the O2 for overall tuning, and the EGT to tweak for cylinder uniformity.

-Bob C.
__________________
Think you are saving gas? Prove it by starting a Gas Log, then conduct a proper experiment.
bobc455 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2011, 10:19 PM   #4
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 170
Country: United States
Re: Crazy or good idea?

Some racing cars (F1 for example) already do what you are suggesting.

I think the main reason is simply costs. One sensor per bank is cheaper and less expensive to replace when the time comes so consumers like that option over saving some smaller value in fuel consumed.

I do agree it is the optimum way to set up for better economy.

Peter.
GasSavers_Pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2011, 09:24 AM   #5
Registered Member
 
Dr. Jerryrigger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 196
Country: United States
Re: Crazy or good idea?

HC,
That is a good idea. Injectors will not all work the same after years of use, so this would compensate for that, and make a old car run better with less maintenance. I guess on the other hand O2 sensors wear out too...
I think six cheapo one wire sensors would be better than two wide band, and for about the same price.
It could even result in a car that could run one cylinder on open loop, with the rest on closed (when something was wrong).

It seems like it wouldn't even be that hard or expensive to add in the extra sensors to an existing car. Which would be great for diagnostic reasons, but to get the computer to use that data would requite a great deal of know how an likely a new computer.
Dr. Jerryrigger is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What Manual tranny goes in a 1999 Ford Taurus where a auto tranny did GasSavers_Shrek General Fuel Topics 9 08-30-2009 01:40 PM
whats a good temp to let my cooling fan come on with these colder temps 95CHERJUST General Fuel Topics 1 10-07-2008 09:11 PM
Hello World! YarisDude Introduce Yourself - New member Welcome 3 07-03-2008 06:06 AM
Would a VX engine d15z fit into a 94+ integra? xiongthao General Fuel Topics 8 06-30-2008 04:57 AM
Electric bikes banned in Chinese city to make room for cars MetroMPG Electric and Solar powered 4 11-24-2006 07:29 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:01 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.