CRX HF or '79 Civic?

[neverendingproject]

Hi everyone, I have a D15Z1 from a Civic VX to swap into either my '91 CRX HF or my '79 1200 Civic.

The HF weighs around 2,000 lbs., has some rust issues that will need to be addressed before it's driveable and it doesn't look very good.

The Civic is in fairly nice shape with no rust issues, weighs around 1,500 lbs. but has the aerodynamics of a brick.

Which one of these cars has the most potential for ultimate MPG assuming they each have a VX engine, HF transmission and are otherwise fairly stock?

Thanks for any advice, this is a great forum.

[78si]

I've install a D series in my 78 civic. Its ALOT of work! You need to know how to weld, machine, fabricate, and be able to wire.

[78si]

Here is a picture of my 78. I'm going to "attempt" to install a B16 this winter.

[neverendingproject]

That swap looks great, nice job. I realize the amount of work, I've done a couple Fiero swaps so far and am in the middle of my third-a Northstar in an '84 Fiero.

Fabrication and wiring is not a problem, I enjoy that sort of thing but I agree that swapping this engine into the CRX would be 100 times less work.

Work and time aside, what do you think would be better overall for mileage?

[78si]

I think you should do the 79. If most of your driving is in town, the aerodynamics wont be an issue. Long trips in an old (79) civic arent very appealing to me. IMO

[StorminMatt]

Also remember that the 1979 Civic is not going to have a high pressure fuel system to run EFI. This can be quite a pain in the butt to deal with even on something like a 1986 CRX, which DOES have the SI varient from which to swap the fuel system. But since NO 1G Civic EVER had EFI, this is going to ave to be 100% custom.

[neverendingproject]

That's a good point, I should have mentioned that it's a '90 HF so the swap is even easier. Basically I'm wondering if the .29 cd of the HF will make up for the added weight. I do a lot of highway driving so I'm shooting for over 50MPG combined.

[StorminMatt]

You could also sell your 1990 HF and get a 1988-1989 HF. That will drop your weight from 1967 pounds to 1819-1834 pounds. And the D15Z1 swap will be no harder.

[Colby]

How about 1st gen HF?

Weight close to the '79 with better aero and (relatively) easy swap. Low pressure fuel would have to be addressed, however.

[StorminMatt]

Originally Posted by Colby

How about 1st gen HF?

Weight close to the '79 with better aero and (relatively) easy swap. Low pressure fuel would have to be addressed, however.

A 1G CRX would not be a bad choice. After all, the fuel issues can be taken care of by swapping parts from the 1G SI. But is one other issue to contend with. One is wiring. The wiring changes wil be VERY extensive, as this car has no wiring for EFI. Furthermore, all of the wiring will have to be custom, as there are no wiring kits for this swap. And if you have to pay someone else to do it, I hope you have LOTS of cash.

Then, of course, there is the transmission to deal with. Strictly speaking, this is not much of an issue, since a 1G Integra transmission can be used with little problem. BUT, I am assuming that you are doing this swap to get better fuel economy. And if this is the case, the Integra transmission is rather short. If you want to use, say, a 2G CRX HF transmission, there will be mountng issues. Specifically, there are no mounts available to make this a bolt-in swap. Unless you can weld/fabricate, or pay someone else to do so, this is just not going to work.

My thoughts? This seems like an awful lot of trouble to save ~100 pounds (compared to a 2G HF).