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Old 01-12-2006, 05:02 PM   #1
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. Let this be a place to discuss this for future visitors to the site. http://web.archive.org/web/20030414234420/mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~ehaffner/Net.htm [quote]Replace Tailgate with a Cargo Net ...

In short, no. Let this be a place to discuss this for future visitors to the site.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030414234420/mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~ehaffner/Net.htm

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Replace Tailgate with a Cargo Net

The picture below shows the flow using a net to replace the tailgate. The characteristics are the same as the "Tailgate removed", however, flow seems to disturbed or mixed as it exits the rear of the bed. The net causes more drag than with no tailgate. The drag coefficient with the net in place is 0.46. This is a 6.71 % increase in drag from the baseline condition.


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BTW, WITH the tailgate installed and up the water tunnel looked like this:



In other words, removing the tailgate hurt aerodynamic drag.
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i'll bet you added that post

i'll bet you added that post because of all the search engine queries leading people to gassavers.org.

(i get lots of the same inquiries leading to mine...)
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Old 01-12-2006, 08:07 PM   #3
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If I may venture a guess, I

If I may venture a guess, I think it's because it was addressed in another thread and he just wanted an end all to say, shut up, look at these results.
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Re: If I may venture a guess, I

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If I may venture a guess, I think it's because it was addressed in another thread and he just wanted an end all to say, shut up, look at these results.
It wasn't to shut people up, but rather to keep topics on topic. No need to post 10 subjects in one topic.

Besides, MetroMPG is kind of right too :-P
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Old 01-12-2006, 09:43 PM   #5
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Old 01-13-2006, 09:23 AM   #6
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I heard if you drive with

I heard if you drive with the tailgate down (not off) there is a slight benifit.
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Re: I heard if you drive with

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I heard if you drive with the tailgate down (not off) there is a slight benifit.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030414232437/mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~ehaffner/remove_gate.htm

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The picture below shows the flow for the pickup with the tailgate removed. The characteristics are the same as with the lowered tailgate, however, the flow has no straightening mechanism at the rear of the bed. This is a cause of the higher drag coefficient. The drag coefficient without a tailgate in place is 0.447 which is a 3.47% increase in drag from the baseline condition.

edit: I just read what you wrote again. According to the site I was looking at, you are right.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010303183857/http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~ehaffner/Lower_gate.htm

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The picture below shows the flow over the truck with the tailgate lowered. The characteristics are the same as the baseline, however, flow is allowed to pass through the rear of the bed. The lowered tailgate helps to straighten the flow behind the bed. The drag coefficient with a lowered tailgate is 0.414. This is a 4.17% decrease in drag from the baseline condition.

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some contracters I've known

some contracters I've known who drive the bigger 8ft bed trucks say removal of the tailgate gets them a couple mpgs and having the tailgate up hurts mpgs.

the pictures u put up "look" like a truck with a 6ft bed. Can't say for sure from just a picture...
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have u guys seen

have u guys seen mythbusters? there ex-special FX pepole and test out myths to see if there true or not. on the discorvry channel.

taken from a mythbusters site:

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Tailgate: Up or down?
Myth: Driving your pickup with the tailgate down gives you better fuel efficiency than with the tailgate up.

Test Setup
Adam and Jamie were each given identical, new model pickup trucks. They both had equal mileage, same tire pressure, and 30 gallons of gas. Jamie drove with the tailgate up and Adam the tailgate down.

The rules:

They have to maintain the speed limit
All acceleration must be done by cruise control
No drafting
Windows up, A/C must be exactly the same in both cars
The Test
After 300 miles there didn't appear to be much difference in the gas consumed, but after 500 miles Adam (tailgate down) ran out of gas. Jamie made it another 30 miles before he ran out of gas. This result was the exact opposite of the myth.

Water tunnel visualization
According to the experts, a circular pillow of air forms behidn the cab of the truck when the tailgate is up. This "separated bubble"/"locked vortex flow" keep the faster moving air from contacting the truck, and thus reduces drag. With the tailgate down, the bubble breaks down and is no longer able to keep the fast moving air out, increasing drag.

In their scale model with the water tunnel, they were able to see that the increased drag. With the tailgate down, the particles in the water were dropping down and hitting the tailgate.




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Well, to be fair, that

Well, to be fair, that pickup looks to be of a significantly different design then the previous one.
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