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Old 05-30-2007, 04:22 PM   #1
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Fuel Economy Gauge?

Alrighty,

First let me say I drive an 85' Ford F150 w/ the 302 V8. The truck is used as a truck so I cant just trade it in on a compact car, I would however like to improve its gas milage. I would love a gas milage gauge like the new Ford F-Super Duties have, but I cant seem to find one.

That is, untill I found this site...

I have some questions about this infamous "Supermid".

1) Exactly how does this little gadget work? How does it calculate FE and how accurate is it?

2) What do I do about my mechanical speed sensor?

Thank Yall for the Replies.
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Old 05-30-2007, 04:26 PM   #2
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1) VSS and injector pulse width signal. Very accurate.

2) Add a digital one or you're likely out of luck!

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Old 05-30-2007, 04:31 PM   #3
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Thank you for the quick reply!

Where does it get the injector pulse from?

Is this digital VSS something I can buy anywhere? **looks for O'Reilly's catalog**
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Old 05-30-2007, 04:33 PM   #4
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I'm guessing the 85 is carbbed? The pulse width comes from one of the injector control wires.

I don't think it's too easy to hook up a digital vss from scratch...I've heard some things about getting a magnetic thing to sit on the axel and count rotations, but Iono for sure...someone else will though.
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I think it woulda been TBI. My 84 tbird with 302 was TBI. So, that is good news.
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Old 05-30-2007, 04:55 PM   #6
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Yup, it's fuel injected.

The more I search this forum, the more I think it's not worth the trouble... Looks like the VSS is a major problem...
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If your engine is carburated rather than fuel injected, its going to be a bit of a job to produce the equivalent of an injector pulse from it. You would have to install a paddlewheel flowmeter in the fuel line feeding the carb to produce a pulse frequency proportional to the fuel flow, then use a frequency to duty cycle convertor to convert increasing frequency to a higher duty cycle. You would need to do some research to determine your range of fuel flows and select a flowmeter that would give an appropriate range of pulse frequencies and then find a freq to DC convertor that could produce an square wave pulse mimicking the square wave pulse that the SuperMID is set up to receive. You would need to contact Yoshi to for the specs on the range of VSS pulses. As far as I know this hasn't been done, but it would be an interesting project for someone with a bit of electronics background.
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ALrighty, I found a cheap eletric VSS. Its one that mounts magnets on the axle (I assume). It comes with four magnets. (judging by the picture) Is this what I need?

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http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku
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For a truck, I'd say aero mods would be real good.
Along with good driving, like moderate speeds and P&G technique, and the usual vehicle maintenance and tire pressure as high as is safe.

My old Volvo is not very aerodynamic and I feel a big change after my recent aero work. Better mpg #s also. If you have something with low drag like a Geo or a Prius you might need a degree in aerodynamics to improve it. But with a rolling box like mine, or a truck, I think you can really help yourself with aero mods if you do some research. I'd look here under the Aerodynamics Discussion and in wikipedia under Automotive Aerodynamics. Watch out for the race car stuff. They often want to create down pressure for traction. You don't need that but you do need smooth ar flow.
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Yup, it's fuel injected.

The more I search this forum, the more I think it's not worth the trouble... Looks like the VSS is a major problem...
This isn't true. Yoshi (the inventor) found a magnetic sensor that you can attach to your axle in lieu of an electronic VSS that he said will work with the SuperMID.

Hopefully he can chime in here.
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