GM Sales of Hybrids Miserable

[GasSavers_ALS]

One, we're not allowed to drill for oil in our own country or off it's shores. Two we haven't built a refinery in over 30 years. Yet we import 30% of our gasoline.
So if you want a conspiracy look to Washington and see who is getting money from the Mideast and the environmental wackos. Not the real environmentalists but the old communists who found a home with the Green movement. They will do anything they can to destroy the American economy so they can say Capitalism doesn't work.
Now once you figure out which Congress and Senate members are on the Saudi gravy train then you know who is involved in the conspiracy.

I guess it's a conspiracy that India and China has increased their need for oil greatly over the last five years also.

Personally I find it amazing how well the major oil companies seem to keep fuel at the pump when you need it. With all the crap they have to put up with federal regulations and bureaucrats BS I can't believe we don't have gas lines and $10 gas.

[theclencher]

Don't repeat that stupid crap here.

[RightontheMarc]

Originally Posted by Sludgy

The rest of your rant MIGHT approach credibility if you did SOME research on large format Lithiums.

Try Googling "Valence Technologoies", Saft, Johnson Controls and A123 Systems, and you'll see that there are a lot of companies making, or beginning to make big Lithium batteries.

And to further my point about monopolies, one company is even beginning to make the old lead-acid battery

I guess like many of you who think being informed is a "rant" you just do not have the ability to think critically. Notice on each one of your statements you said BEGINNING. I said, available as in now. None of these are feasibly available NOW nor are ready for personal applications in gas to electric conversion. If they were AVAILABLE now companies like Tesla would be using them. There are also reliability issues which you did not address. Furthermore since I backed up my comments with documentation, it was all 100% credible. What you wrote on the other hand is just speculation.

What's more, is I am not arguing with you on the possibility of up and coming battery technology. I think it is excellent and I will be converting one of my cars to electric as soon as the engine dies (or sooner). I am just trying to get the facts straight on the other ridiculous things you wrote like implying the government is acting alone when limiting alternative (to oil) technologies. Oh yeah, and what part of the meaning of capitalism did you miss? Caterpillar owns it's workers right? You do understand that is feudalism don't you? This is why stock options were being offered in recent years by many companies so that employees could have part ownership in the companies and share in the profits as is more true to the meaning of capitalism. You know the English word.

[RightontheMarc]

Originally Posted by ALS

One, we're not allowed to drill for oil in our own country or off it's shores. Two we haven't built a refinery in over 30 years. Yet we import 30% of our gasoline.
So if you want a conspiracy look to Washington and see who is getting money from the Mideast and the environmental wackos.

LOL talk about tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorizing loons. How loudly can you bleat? The "environmental whackos" that you basically term 98% of the world's scientists are looking for money themselves to continue their research that the oil companies are trying to prevent them from doing. They don't have money to lobby the government like the oil companies do. Whats more they do not operate on a profit driven agenda like the oil companies OBVIOUSLY do.

I guess it's a conspiracy that India and China has increased their need for oil greatly over the last five years also.

This is probably the only sarcasm you used with any kind of informed accuracy. The massive demand posed from China and India AND from the US military coupled with the Iraq war limiting the supply to ONE THIRD of what was being pumped out of Iraq pre-war is contributing to the huge rise in cost of crude. Peak oil of course is also a huge factor as the war and demand are part of peak oil. Don't dream for a second in your naive little worlds that its going to stop here at $126.
The US Department of Defense (DoD) is the largest purchaser of oil in the world.
http://www.energybulletin.net/13199.html

Exxon Mobil posts $40.6 billion annual profit
Oil giant breaks record for largest annual profit by a U.S. company.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22949325/

The Bloating of Gas Prices
"ExxonMobil posted net revenues of $16.9 billion in
2000, the most money earned by any U.S. company. Ever." http://www.channel3000.com/news/487633/detail.html

Here's a reality check for you on the proposed 6 month possible supply of oil, that would take ten years to develop, by destroying some of the last remaining natural lands we have, for short term economic gain only to be experienced by the oil companies. We need to get the F' off of oil and get off of it SOON.

Arctic [Oil Drilling] Fantasies Need Reality Check.
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...36a34a&k=63243

Here are some more facts for you dumb dumbs.

Some Like It Hot - climate global warming
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feat...ke_it_hot.html
Forty public policy groups have this in common: They seek
to undermine the scientific consensus that humans are
causing the earth to overheat. And they all get money
from ExxonMobil.

White House Official Singled Out for Editing Climate
Reports to Work for Exxon Mobil
http://www.enn.com/today_PF.html?id=7964
June 15, 2005 ? By H. Josef Hebert, Associated Press
WASHINGTON ? A former White House official and one-time
oil industry lobbyist whose editing of government reports
on climate change prompted criticism from
environmentalists will join Exxon Mobil Corp., the oil
company said Tuesday.

Or is that just a big freaking coincidence? Riiiiight.

[Sludgy]

[QUOTE=RightontheMarc;99701] What you wrote on the other hand is just speculation.

[QUOTE]


There is NO speculation. If you had bothered to do the research on just the first battery manufacturer that I listed, you would see that these large format batteries are already for sale.

Thinking critically, you should have researched the facts before making stupid, incorrect statements.

[GasSavers_JoeBob]

I don't know about dismal sales...in all the ads I hear they mention the hybrids and then mention "limited availability"

[civic94]

i dont get gm, they are selling a 20 mpg suv for 51k, where you can buy 2 new crv's or rav4's that get better gas mileage that, and still have money left over.

also the crv and raV4 is more reliable

[GasSavers_JoeBob]

Or you can get a Hummer H2 for around 60K, a lot less than 20 mpg. It's all a matter of what you want. If you've got 51k to spend on a new car, you are probably not too worried about mileage. Or you are leasing it and only driving 10k miles a year anyway.

Or you can buy a $200 Geo, and invest the rest in oil company stocks. (All I need is $50,800 to do that...)

Originally Posted by civic94

i dont get gm, they are selling a 20 mpg suv for 51k, where you can buy 2 new crv's or rav4's that get better gas mileage that, and still have money left over.

also the crv and raV4 is more reliable

[opelgt73]

Originally Posted by civic94

i dont get gm, they are selling a 20 mpg suv for 51k, where you can buy 2 new crv's or rav4's that get better gas mileage that, and still have money left over.

also the crv and raV4 is more reliable

Maybe because some people want to have a reasonable towing capacity? I have a 7x14 tandem wheel box trailer that I haul my PA system and musical equipment around in, I know for damn sure that a crv isn't going to pull it. My Denali is actually a little weak for it and I am looking to get a Diesel Excursion.

Just because you don't understand why someone would need a large vehicle doesn't mean that they don't, in fact, need it.

[bowtieguy]

Originally Posted by RightontheMarc

Our nation and world is basically being held hostage by a few criminally minded crooks in a handful of multinational corporations who have bought up all the patents or stakes in things and then shelved the technologies so they can't ever be used. They are trying to destroy our economy, our environment and us so they can have short term profits.

certainly this is a very broad generalization. as with many things, the individual is the problem and the solution.

those that do not vote, stay informed, wish to work hard, fail to eat right and exercise, etc ARE at the mercy of big corps and govt. THIS too is just a generalization as some(few), situations are the exception.

www.naturalcures.com/

take Trudeau's view...dubbed as a con-artist, there are absolutely MANY, MANY, MANY truths in his books. be it the fed govt, the pharmeceutical industry, or big oil, many play the game. at least for now, world economics revolves around the production of oil.

the drug companies in my view are much worse. as previously stated, it is plausible that new medical tech and cures for diseases are being supressed by these wonderful people. the sick part is we are paying THEM to kill us slowly. that said, in extreme medical situations, they do serve a purpose, which leads to my next point...

MANY companies out there do care about long term benefits of the eco system and certainly about their employees and the future success of its existance.

there IS new tech enabling mankind to drill with little or no affect on nature if done RESPONSIBLY. we must hold them(the drillers) to it.

we as consumers are just as at fault as big oil and govt with irresposible purchases and over consumption.

now, back to the thread topic... IF hybrid SUVs were more efficient, would there be more sales? its uncertain at the present premium price. maybe if prices come down. i too wish the E car would come back tho!