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Old 09-19-2007, 01:41 PM   #21
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Well, keep in mind that this is paypal. So, it's automatically charged as soon as I click "pay". There's no way around that
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Old 09-19-2007, 02:17 PM   #22
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I think you are safe. I am also getting the hafc kit soon but my customer service rep in the area said they aren't ready to ship for another couple of weeks. I never paid for anything yet though. I also talked to the mechanic in the area and i am sure this is legit. I just can't wait any longer. Keep us posted. by the way, who are you buying the kit from?
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Old 09-19-2007, 03:06 PM   #23
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I went through befreetech.com

I spoke for an hour with the mechanic who is currently attending their HAFC training class. He was a nice guy, and quite knowledgeable. He says their Pre Ignition Catalytic converter was also mentioned at the training, but not in much depth because it's not available for a year. This is the only kit I've found that isn't just made in some guys basement. They have a 40'x80' shop, an actual CNC lathe and CNC mill. A lot of their stuff is made right there in house.
I've got a few friends who are interested in buying this kit if mine works out alright, which I am certain it will. THe owner of the company has a HOnda civic getting 85mpg with this...

I think that the key is the electronics. Other kits only include the hydrogen booster, but that isn't enough. YOu need the electronics to go with it to get the true benefits.
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Old 09-19-2007, 03:15 PM   #24
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where is the mechanic based out of?
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Old 09-19-2007, 04:05 PM   #25
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He is near Watertown, NY. That's too far for me
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Old 09-20-2007, 06:18 AM   #26
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Could you post the URL for the Yahoo group?

The variation in results shows the VALIDITY of choosing the vehicle first...and modding it for mpg later.


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The system from hydrogen-boost.com doesn't guarantee the 50% minimum. I went ahead with it, and actually got it for 850 plus ~20 to ship.

I indirectly got in contact with the company owner, and he informed me that a guy New England is attending training next monday, so perhaps I can use his services.

Here's a list I got off a yahoo group devoted to this product of vehicles retrofitted as of August 23, 2007, in his shop:
As of August 29, 2007, in our shop, we have done the following:

1. Toyota Corolla 96 (4 cylinder) from 23 to 60 mpg first car we did (+160%)

2. Hyundai 2000 (4) cylinder from 33 to 75 mpg then lost it (AFR) (+127%)

3. Chevrolet Monte Carlo 2004 (6 cylinder) from 30 to 50 (AFR) (+67%)

4. Chev Tahoe SUV 2004 (8 cylinder) from 15.57 to 25.3 mpg (AFR) (+63%)

5. Honda Civic 1997 stick shift went from 31.42 to 50.6 mpg (+61%)

6. 1995 (0BD-I) F-150 (V-8) pickup went from 12.7 to 33 mpg (+159%)

7. 2002 Toyota Camry 42 mpg went to 63 or something (AFR) (+50%)

8. Cadillac 2000 V-8 Seville only increased a very few mpg (AFR) (10%)

9. 2000 Grand Am went from 33.37 to 64.33 mpg Fuel Cell was not on (+93%)

10. *95 GMC Yukon V-8 throttle body went from 17.33 to no improvement (0%)

11. *95 Suburban V-8 throttle body increased about 5 mpg (16%)

12. 2002 Marquis V-8 went from 26.78 to 64.43 (retuned & it got 85) (+217%)

13. 1999 Honda CRV (4 cylinder) went from 26.73 to 62 mpg (+131%)

14. 1997 Dodge Ram Pickup was crap maybe a plugged cat (22.9 mpg) (+5.65%)

15. 1997 F-150 pickup went from 33.67 to 40 mpg (18%)

16. 2002 Dodge Neon (2.L) 4 cylinder stick shift from 39.2 to 73.53 mpg (+88%)

17. 1998 Plymouth Breeze 4 cylinder went from 38.46 to 77.84 mpg (+102%)

18. John Scotese?s Mazda 2006 from 46 to 92 mpg now 120 (AFR) 4X (160%)

19. Dutchman?s 2007 Honda Civic from 33 to 85 (AFR)-4X test (158%)

20. 2000 Jeep Wrangler (2.5 L) 4 cylinder from 17.3 to 26.58 no retune (+53%)

21. Subaru 2000 Legacy (2.5 L) (4) cylinder 32 to 63 (+97%)

22. 2000 Honda Accord EX (4) went from 28.4 to 55.9 mpg (+97%)

23. GMC Safari Van 1994 V-6 (4.3L) from 19.86 to 30.4 mpg (+53%)

24. 2004 Mazda MPV 6 cylinder from 23.4 to 43.47 mpg (+85%)
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Old 09-20-2007, 06:39 AM   #27
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I recently attended and was certified as an installer for the HAFC. Located in South Central ND I'm quite a ways from you phantomcow but part of my install team was Papo from http://www.paposauto.com/default.htm
Looks like he's about 335 miles from Watertown but he's got quite a nice shop and is top notch mechanic.
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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/befreetech/
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Old 09-20-2007, 04:37 PM   #29
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I'm from Connecticut so watertown, NY isn't too far. When did you say you were going to receive the kit?
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I don't live in Watertown, that's where the mechanic is located. I live in New Hampshire.
I think the kit ships this week, so it should be here next week. I guess then it's up to UPS
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