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Old 06-26-2007, 08:26 PM   #31
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An Acura TL is an elaborate vehicle if you can't afford 2K to fix a transmission then you probably shouldn't have been driving one. Its like a Cadillac, no one says its gonna be cheap to fix all that extra crap when it breaks, and it will. I had a friend who bought a new focus, then had two replacements before buying a nissan. He called it the Ford *ucked us.
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:42 PM   #32
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please tell me all that crap with the accord happened after you bought the civic. I am saddened to hear that their quality has been americanized. yes i do remember my father constanly fixing our GM's & Fords when i was young, he owns 4 hondas now.)

Just buy a used crx, parts may be expensive but i'd rather fix my car once a year than once a month. Or you could convince your mother to trade cars
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I had two nissans, then a sunfire, then a acura, now a saturn. Guess which one was the best, most dependable, lowest maintenance, least cost of ownership.
Saturn!

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Old 06-27-2007, 04:08 AM   #34
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Didn't drive the Civic last friday. I drove the Rangealturd.

Drove the Civic to the Ford dealer Sat. No Fusion.

Reset the ECU Sunday.

Drove the Civic in Monday. 55 mpg in, 53 mpg home. Hummmm

Drove the Civic in Tuesday. 56 mpg in until wrecks on hwy 169 shut down the good mpg. After beep and creep finished with 51 mpg.
Home sucked. Worked late. Traffic was light. Weather better than expected. 47 mpg.

Its like Indian slot machines concerning the Civic.

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Old 06-27-2007, 04:17 AM   #35
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please tell me all that crap with the accord happened after you bought the civic. I am saddened to hear that their quality has been americanized. yes i do remember my father constanly fixing our GM's & Fords when i was young, he owns 4 hondas now.)

Just buy a used crx, parts may be expensive but i'd rather fix my car once a year than once a month. Or you could convince your mother to trade cars
We purchased the Accord in May 2005. Then the Civic December 2005. All was fine until Accord hit 30k miles and Civic hit 10k miles.

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Old 06-27-2007, 04:32 AM   #36
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I don't know what you guys are doing to your cars, but IMO Honda's are the most reliable cars on the road. I have owned 2 Accord's and 2 Civic's and had no problems whatsoever out of any of them, outside of normal maintenance. I even beat the hell out of my last Civic (93 coupe) on a daily basis, blew a headgasket at 170k miles in the middle of nowhere, drove it about 20 miles smoking like a banshee (it still got me home), replaced hg, resurfaced head, and good as new. My current hatch has 171k miles on it and still regularly gets 47-50mpg. These cars can take a beating and keep on going well passed 200k miles. How many Ford's or Chevy's can you say that about? And parts for Honda's are not expensive. WTF? Especially Civic's and Accord's. And they are so easy to work on, do the work yourself! Of course the higher end Acura's are a different story. That is more of a luxury car than econobox Civic. And I see you are regularly getting mpg in the 50's, so IMHO, you should just hush and be satisfied. What are you expecting, 80mpg out of that heavy pig? If you want that, go buy a Metro and have fun fixing things on it weekly. Or drive that awesome Rangler that you speak so affecionately about.
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Old 06-27-2007, 04:51 AM   #37
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I complained about my Mazda - it's made by Ford. It had electrical problems Sometimes it would start but not go into gear. Sometimes, my headlights wouldn't work. Then it would pop random fuses. I carried a box of spare fuses for when they burned out. Did I mention it had the worst case of static electricity I've ever seen in a car?

Finally, we went to tow a Uhaul trailer and the guy from the store came running after me down the street. "Your car's on fire!!!!" Yeah, I freaked. Turns out, the amateur who installed the non-Mazda towing package botched the wiring, and bare wires were touching bare metal in the tail lamp housing.

I shut the engine off, disconnected the battery, and they installed new wiring so I could tow the trailer. 1000 miles later, I smelled burning plastic and saw smoke coming from the same tail light. I disconnected the battery an immediately took off the tail lamp housing. Once again, bare wires touching metal. So I took off the crappy wiring and now I'm taking off the hitch to save weight.

Bottom line: Somebody botched a mod, and it manifested itself in random occurrences. I was just about to trade in the POS for having random electrical problems. But once I took off the bad wiring, I haven't had a single problem with it. Now, at 80,000 miles, I have no problems with the vehicle. I might just drive it until it falls apart.

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The deal with the TL was honda knew the transmission was lemon and they orphaned it. They'll install all the "rebuilt by the lowest bidder transmissions" you want until a 100k. The 100k mile service and expensive valve adjustment were icing on the cake. Also there was high failure rates of the front motor mounts.

All in all there very solid cars. The trans just doesn't last and the maintenance is expensive. And yes I could afford it but why would you want to. The tranny was orphaned by honda and will go out. If you can get it rebuilt for $2k your looking at 36 month/36k warranty. Failure rates on the replacements are pointlessly excessive. Read thread below.

http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106818


The sunfire baring no other I've ever owned is the best car. 2.2l 3 speed auto. Mileage was dead consistant at 26city 32hwy at 180k original plugs, wires, timing chain etc. The only non maintenance repair was an a/c compressor, greased the rear brake self adjusters, and top motor mount. Less than $300 total.
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I don't know what you guys are doing to your cars, but IMO Honda's are the most reliable cars on the road. I have owned 2 Accord's and 2 Civic's and had no problems whatsoever out of any of them, outside of normal maintenance. I even beat the hell out of my last Civic (93 coupe) on a daily basis, blew a headgasket at 170k miles in the middle of nowhere, drove it about 20 miles smoking like a banshee (it still got me home), replaced hg, resurfaced head, and good as new. My current hatch has 171k miles on it and still regularly gets 47-50mpg. These cars can take a beating and keep on going well passed 200k miles. How many Ford's or Chevy's can you say that about? And parts for Honda's are not expensive. WTF? Especially Civic's and Accord's. And they are so easy to work on, do the work yourself! Of course the higher end Acura's are a different story. That is more of a luxury car than econobox Civic. And I see you are regularly getting mpg in the 50's, so IMHO, you should just hush and be satisfied. What are you expecting, 80mpg out of that heavy pig? If you want that, go buy a Metro and have fun fixing things on it weekly. Or drive that awesome Rangler that you speak so affecionately about.

Umm alot. I grew up poor, we drove everything to death. Lets see
1979 datsun over 200k $50
1982 sentra over 200k $150
2 VW vans not many miles and gave them away
1985 reliant 195k (put the wrong trans fluid in and killed it) $50
1986 ford aerostar 290k $50 3 transmissions(no surprise) running but replaced
1988 astro van 220k $50 still running good/ just replaced
1988 buick regal 250k $300 replaced
1990 ford aerostar 170k $50 puked front trans seal welded first gear clutches but hey still running great.

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2001 astro 180k running strong
1991 danger ranger bought used wrecked 6 times no original body panels except roof, 200k+ running strong.
1992 civic $300 wonder running strong

Until about 5 years ago my parents did not properly maintain there vehicles. The 86 aerostar was the toughest and worst abused. It was lucky to get oil changes every 15k. Food stamps won't pay for oil changes.
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I guess my beef with honda is you pay honda price you should get honda reliability, not orphaned transmissions.

We always drove what we could get cheap and we fixed them as they broke. I say some american cars are bargains. Like the saturn S-series.
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