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Old 12-08-2006, 10:32 AM   #11
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Old 12-08-2006, 05:58 PM   #12
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Chavez

I agree with Lefty Carlos. Although he is a showy actor who seems to love to pick a fight, some of the things he is doing with oil money in venezuela are innovative. At least he is doing something different. Whether or not the many Bolivarian (socialist??) projects work remains to be seen.
Cheers to everyone who saves gas and is working to figure out how to save more...its cool we all come together here to do this regardless of what motivates us.
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Old 12-08-2006, 11:37 PM   #13
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Lefty Carlos - it's sad that I can figure out what this says.

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Thanks, it took me a little while to figure it out.

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Old 12-09-2006, 08:03 AM   #14
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Taking the low end of the algae estimates (that algae would produce 7x the yield of palm oil), we'd need only 7.5M acres devoted to growing algae.... We currently use 943M acres of land for food production in the US. We'd need just 0.8% of that land to grow enough algae to completely replace diesel fuel.

0.8% is trivial. All we need is the political will.



Biodiesel doesn't do anything to reduce gasoline use, however. For that, butanol looks promising. It's a pretty darn good straight replacement for gasoline, much better than ethanol. (Ethanol is a complete joke....)

Imagine what the $250+ billion we've spent in Iraq ....
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I just have to comment! ...all we need is political will? Politics is going to bury us! "We have met the enemy...and they are U.S.!"
I agree...ethanol is a total joke! How much can a corn farmer get in federal subsidies to not grow wheat, soybeans, etc., etc. Politicians & lobbyists are drunk on this alcohol thing!
This algae argument is very strong! Doesn't it take a lot of water to grow algae? I'm just asking... I'm not the brightest bulb in the forest(something like that)!
Biodiesel is great for diesels ... how many diesels are there vs. gasoline-powered cars / trucks? Will Detroit & Dearborn drop their profitable gas cars & trucks? Not in my lifetime(yours either!)!
Billions spent in Iraq... We? What's this "we", kemo sabee? Congress & the head Republican't in charge spent our money (like they have always done!) ! I don't recall anybody asking ME!!!
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:54 AM   #15
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I revised my initial statement Ted, this one is more of a summary.
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Old 12-20-2007, 06:26 PM   #16
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James and Carlos,

be careful in your admiration for that anti-American world leader(Chavez). his ties and workings w/russia and iran should makes us all a little concerned at the very least.
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Old 12-21-2007, 02:50 AM   #17
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We'd need 52.5M acres of land devoted to palm oil production to completely replace diesel with biodiesel made from palm oil. Taking the low end of the algae estimates (that algae would produce 7x the yield of palm oil), we'd need only 7.5M acres devoted to growing algae in order to completely replace diesel with biodiesel. That's a hell of a lot of land, yes, but consider this: We currently use 943M acres of land for food production in the US. We'd need just 0.8% of that land to grow enough algae to completely replace diesel fuel.

0.8% is trivial. All we need is the political will.

Another view of what MIGHT HAVE BEEN?

But not as long as the oil companies/military control energy and foreign policy?


http://www.solarpowerrocks.com/solar...-sick-graph-2/


These figures are in millions. The source for energy R&D expenditures is from the National Council for Science and the Environment.

Though the war in Iraq now costs about $120B a year, two authors (one a Nobel prize winner) estimates the total cost of this war exceeds 2 Trillion Dollars.

?Accrued liabilities for U.S. federal employees? and veterans? benefits now total $4.5 trillion. Indeed, our debt for veterans? health and disability payments has risen by $228 billion in the past year alone?The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the interest payments on the money borrowed to finance the Iraq war will total $264 billion to $308 billion.?

That $2,000,000,000,000? Well, that amount of money could?ve built solar thermal plants here that would have provided energy for 2/3rds of our nation?s energy demand.


http://www.solarpowerrocks.com/solar...etty-damn-far/


After hearing President Bush beseech members of Congress for $68B more dollars for the war in Iraq tonight, I got myself to thinking. If we?re already spending $120B a year on this war and we simply decided to bring our troops home, how far could we get in meeting our nation?s energy demands solely with sunshine and that extra $68B dollars? Well according to an article in the Green Wombat last month, a solitary solar thermal plant sized at 92 x 92 miles could take care of our entire energy demand. That?s the size of land that purple square takes up in the above map. Granted, for security purposes it would be a dumb idea to go and build a lone solar plant like this, so let?s do some more realistic math. The land area cited in that article was 92*92mi = 8464sq. miles. Let?s say we intend to create 16 solar thermal power plants and scatter them about really sunny areas of our country such as the southwest, Texas, and areas of Florida. 8464/16 = 529sq. miles for each solar thermal power plant. It just so happens that the square root of 529 gives a clean 23! So we are in search of sixteen 23 by 23 mile plots of sunny land to power the entire country. We?ve got $68 Billion dollars to spend on all of them, or $4,250,000,000 for each one.

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If you really want to shake things up, consider that since the Iraq war began, we are now roughly $9 Trillion dollars in debt. Many people, including myself, don?t have any concept of how much money that really is. Well, that?s $9,000,000,000,000 dollars.

Remember those 16 plots of 23?23 miles we needed to satiate the nation?s thirst for energy? Well 9 Trillion dollars would be enough to purchase about 2,813 Nevada Solar Twos! That?s 9sq. miles * 2,813 = 25,317 sq. miles of solar thermal energy ? more than triple the land area in solar power plants to satisfy the energy demands of our entire country!

It truly is depressing to imagine what the other 2/3rds of that $9 Trillion could have been used for. Universal health care? Education? Ugh!

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But *s friends are making out like bandits? The rest of us? We're letting them do it.

With SANE people in power the whole energy issue could be solved eventually...OR...we can just continue electing idiot savants who like to line their own pockets at our expense?
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Old 12-21-2007, 03:11 AM   #18
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our own "leadership" has me more worried than anyone else's
it's agreed that the US will most likely fall from within. but rogue states attacking non-military targets is NOT unlikely.
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BioDiesel made from algea could work. It grows in a 3 dimensional space instead of on top of a surface and the harvest would be every 30 days.

BUT, the EPA is working against BioDiesel. They don't want it since some studies stated that is has a little higher N0x output. I guess they missed the part that the rest of the emmisions are 80% lower than diesel. It's also cheap to make. Only .35 per gallon when made from recycled fat.

The other problem is that the EPA won't allow diesels to be sold in the US unless they meet strict emmisions requirements. Take a look a all the small diesel cars in Europe. How about a VW Lupo? AKA Golf with a 3 cyclendar that get's 90MPG.

So what if this stupid little car put out twice the emmisions! It uses 1/4 the FUEL! It's carbon foot print would be 1/2 that of the best VW TDI today.

I say it is politics and money. There's NO excuse for this idiocy. The semi's today have larger motors to do the same work. Cost more to run and use more fuel. We are going backwards.

Goto www.fueleconomy.gov and start comparing vehicles from various decades and their MPG. You'll be surprised if not disgusted.
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I'm not a fan of biofuels for several reaons.

Using food for energy raises food prices, especially hitting the poor;
The energy balance for fuel production is poor. It's had to get more energy from biofuel from the fuel burner to produce it;
burning biofuels emits about as much pollution as gasoline.

I think solar cells/wind power/nuclear power in conjunction with electric cars are the best solution to transportation needs.
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