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Old 08-24-2010, 06:54 AM   #1
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Wideband with narrowband output

I have the idea in my head that I need a new O2 sensor. I have space for a gauge, and I want to get a wideband. I have upped the boost a little in my kei-car, and i am using water, with a little meth, to keep things cool. I would like to see how the water/meth affects the afr, so I see the need, and money for a wideband. Since there is only one bung, I will need something that can also work as a substitute for the 1 wire sensor I have on it now. What brands can output a narrowband signal, and are any of them tuneable, like an EIFE or similar?
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Old 08-24-2010, 07:28 AM   #2
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Re: Wideband with narrowband output

uh if the engine computer calls for a narrow band, you've got to stick with that unless you modify the computer. Narrow band O2 sensors don't really output much data because they're not intended for that sort of operation so getting something that can read that data wouldn't be too useful. Anyhow, even if you did know your A/F ratio, you still can't do a thing about it unless you modify the computer.
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Re: Wideband with narrowband output

I imagine that one of the wires in a wideband O2 carries narrowband output.

If not, you could have a bung welded in for a second O2 sensor.
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Old 08-24-2010, 02:31 PM   #4
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Re: Wideband with narrowband output

The wideband output signal is generally linear, which is a different shape than a narrow band.

If you could modify the circuits to feed the wideband signal into the computer (which is expecting an narrow band), it will cross 0.45Vdc at 14.7:1, however behavior on either side of 14.7:1 will not be what the computer is expecting and probably mess up the cross counts and throw a code.

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Re: Wideband with narrowband output

Easiest and cheapest solution is to just have 2 O2 sensors.
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Old 08-25-2010, 04:40 AM   #6
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Re: Wideband with narrowband output

Yeah, an exhaust shop will usually weld in a bung for about $40.

You might also need a plug, which is another $10-$15 if you plan on removing the second O2 later.

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Re: Wideband with narrowband output

you do not need a second O2 sensor. most wideband setups (sensor, gauge, computer (usually in the cable) will have an option for a separate output for the cars ECM. they know that a lot of people will substitute it for the original O2 sensor and don't want to pay for a second sensor and whatnot. Just check the product description before buying.

the only thing you'll have to figure out is how to fool the heater circuit if there is one, so you don't get a code for a failed/open O2heater.
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Re: Wideband with narrowband output

It's a one wire. heater will be no problem. BobC, have you encountered the problem before?
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Re: Wideband with narrowband output

Have you seen this? http://www.zeitronix.com/
It's a wideband with a programmable narrowband output.
http://www.zeitronix.com/questions/NBpoint.htm
Pretty cool, eh?
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Re: Wideband with narrowband output

I will email them about the comments made by bobC and see what they say. If I get a good answer, I will ask about location, being that it is mounted pre-turbo.
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