Brute force electrolysis is OK for test environments but in a car application you need to keep your plate gap voltage to 2.0v per gap per cell. If you don't have this you will not be happy with your cell on all levels. 13.5 volts using a 7 plate config for 1 cell +nnnnn- will give you 2.0 volts per plate gap. Using tap water and sodium hydroxide your water will stay clean. Electrolysis accurse at 1.25v. Anything over this voltage heat is created and muck in your water. When using neutral plates sealing the edges plates will prevent current leakage. Once you reach 2.0v per plate gape then add electrolyte to bring up your amperage for good production.
I've posted vids on youtube under this screen name. Enjoy your new results.
Hey everyone, I finally finished my HHO Generator (mostly) I'm missing a few pieces but otherwise entirely finished. I'm getting pretty good results, just need to make a few adjustments. Any suggestions are, as always, greatly appreciated! The link to my video run through is below. Thanks for viewing!
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Originally Posted by Rower4VT
..The amount of "bubbles" formed by an HHO generator (really an H2+O2) generator)...
Really? First off, you mean 2(H2)+O2 generator. If you're going to grill people on the law of conservation of energy, at least get your quantities correct.
Originally Posted by Rower4VT
There is NO scientific basis for this.
WRONG. The idea behind this is using energy that is already present to do something usefull with it. Like using a current that is normally wasted to produce a gas that IS useable. Or to harness heat from the engine to raise the temperate of the water even slightly to require less energy from a current. Your single thought argument to the reason this DOESN'T work is also the major reason is DOES work. Most of the energy from gasoline combustion is in the form of heat. What is being done with said heat? Nothing. The bottum line is that you are looking at things too small. You are concentrating on one VERY small part of the entire system. As a fellow chemist, I am disappointed.
Originally Posted by Rower4VT
The falsities, lies, and lack of scientific knowledge associated with HHO generators just supports the fact that it's all a scam. I suppose many people still believe in pyramid schemes also...but no, no, they're not a scam!
Fine, people lie to sell things. This is nothing new. But I highly doubt you rant and rave about politics or why gas prices are the way they are. Or how about the mark-up on cigarettes while your at it? Quit *****ing and let people have their fun. At the very least we might find something usefull to do with our time other than make half-thought arguments in the wrong place and at the wrong time.
Drive it like you stole it. Then go faster.
Cool read, I'm glad someone did it and documented it. But what you DIDN'T do and which therefore makes this whole thread and your $300 effort useless, is that you didn't USE your device or document any results. Where did you go? When I tried this when I was in highschool I didn't use plates or pulsing and it became pretty clear the large draw on my electrical system was going to drop my 8MPH even further, so I declared it a failure. But now with the pulsing and some people using AC across the plates and the close spacing and using a base (previously I was always told an acid was best) have me really interested again. So I would really like to know your results.
Next, Rower was just commenting on how it's stupid people call it HHO, I've seen people on other boards think they're creating H which would never ever happen. You're creating H2 and O2 and as you said they will be in a 2:1 ratio, also called Brown's Gas.
Also something new I've only seen in this thread, how can people say they're using 'waste' energy to do something useful? There is never any 'waste' energy coming from the alternator, any energy it produces is hard earned by burning gasoline at whatever horribly inefficient (~30% I thought) combustible process your engine uses and then being driven by a belt (I've heard anywhere from 60-80% efficient). As others have said, try jumping someone or starting with a dead battery or even turning your blinker on, you can tell the engine is lugging more, has more of a load on it and I'm sure with a SG you'd see increased fuel consumption.
Now as RW said, because engines are more efficient under load we're not being hit as bad as possibly could be. And I can totally see how possibly having some H2 could help burning, definately having more O2 will help. I think we should be using O2 tanks to reduce emissions instead of extra gasoline and platinum, but that's another story. But I'm still very leary that this extra amount could help enough to justify the increased load.
I've always thought we should make an efficient generator and use it at home to fill old NOX tanks and use it in the same way, for a boost in efficiency and power when needed. Too bad it's so hard to store and transport H2. Good mention on the ethonal, but I like to complain more about pushing the Hydrogen cell technology. That's great that H2 + O2 generates water, woopee, too bad it is so inefficient to create and store and there's no way you'd set up a distribution network for it. The Fed Gov is dumping a lot of money into this and it really drives me crazy, it's so stupid. Why not just design cities better in the first place? An extra lane or extra expressway is NOT the answer. If you want to build on existing infrastructure and still have some 'independace' and batteries are too inefficient in your view then go crazy and build power lines over the streets and give cars contactor antennaes. I think that'd be sweet, electrical cars with less batteries and some capitors and some main routes with places you can recharge as you drive.
I have built several HHO generators and have found success. There are several critical points that have to be exact, like high quality stainless steel for EVERYTHING in the reaction chamber, but you can SKYROCKET your mileage using one and small device to deceive your oxygen sensors. Everyone will bash you for it (Watch the responses that are sure to come) saying its impossible because it violates this law of thermal dynamics or these physics fundamentals but if you just build the damn thing and keep dialing it in you can do this yourself better than with the CRAP for sale on the web. I got exciting results on my very first try. You will need to be able to weld or have access to someone who can. You can get everything you need at Ace hardware and Home depot or Lowe's.
I will include some videos I made and posted to youtube that will give you a general idea of what is involved. The second video is one of my first reactors so ignore the insulated copper wire and solder. It was an experimental prototype not intended for long term use.
dont be ****bags and argue against this.. start a anti-hydrogen thread if you feel so compelled to do so. Some how you guys have enough time to write up huge essays meant for grade school on why it shouldnt work while we are pumpin hydrogen into our cars. (whether this may be conventional or not)
anyone replicated this specific generator or would attempt this?
Every post i go to theres rower calling hho a scam, nobody could of said it better than hdenter. When i look at rowers post i see ethanol or e85, i dont mean to be ignorant rower when i say this but it looks like you run ethanol in your car now that is the biggest documented scam there has ever been. It is the worst fuel we could ever use it takes way more energy to make it than we will ever achieve in our motors, has lower btus than even propane,the mileage goes down, and we are paying more at the grocery store because we are turning our food into gas. Countrys like brazil are clear cutting their rain forests at an unprecedented rate to grow more crops to sell to U.S to make more ethanol which in turn creates more co2 and global warming. Sometimes we dont know how things work even our brightest cant explain something doesnt mean its not working. You sound like a intelligent person with education try to be open minded, use your knowledge of science and chemistry to maybe help us figure out how to make these systems work on all vehicles not just some. You want the same thing we all do save money so we can use it for other fun things not just fill up our tanks and exist.
Now, That is true, But you are so long. The point is, you dont have as good Mpg. however the fuel is cheaper. so if you figure out how much 20MPG costs with reg fuel, vs E-85. You will see you still save with E-85.
With hydrogen, as well are doing is using leftover power from the engine, to add more fuel, Therefore giving an increase.
The technology does work. That is why your able to add subs and amps into a vechile with the power allready supplied.