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gavinmacrae 12-10-2008 09:05 AM

LARGE LPM Production? Any Input?
I have seen many different units, producing a varried amount of HHO (1-10LPM approx) through many different cell designs and setups etc... but I have some questions I hope you can answer

I have sucessfully run small one banger briggs+stratton engines solely off of my ABS HHO unit. I draw approx 12-16amps and the hydrogen production is definately there, no denying that.. and does it work, you bet your sweet *** it does! :)

BUT as I started to think, I realized that the generation just simply isnt enough to REALLY make a LARGE impact on say, a V8 5.7L.

I found a guy in daytona beach who has a unit that is very interesting. I am hoping someone with some experience in this matter can let me know what they think of it. The idea seems very rational to me, and the LPM can apparently reach up to 50-60LPM. The overall premis is this:

"the power consumption is equally proportional to the amount of hydrogen that is required"

I will have to install another alternator and another slave battery in my rig to power this unit individually (which isnt a problem), and this appears to be something feasable for LARGE LPM production.

So! Forgive my lack of grammer skills, and take a look at these products/ideas and tell me what you think of it :)

Thank you, and be honest! hehe :)


1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOvpj...eature=related
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHzXp...eature=related

Thank you :)


dkjones96 12-10-2008 09:18 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying you want to add a second alternator and battery so you can run something like that V8 off nothing but HHO?

That's how it read to me anyways.

Sludgy 12-10-2008 09:19 AM

14-16 amps at 14 volts equals about 0.3 brake horsepower. This power is drawn by the alternator. What is supplying power to the alternator? The engine?

gavinmacrae 12-11-2008 08:33 AM

Yes, a second alternator (or a LARGER primary alternator) and slave battery is required to power the unit.

and yes, I would say the power to spin a SECOND alternator will inevitably come from the engine.

I understand loss of HP is to be expected with this process.

Secondly, I understand I cannot run my engine 100% off HHO gas (timing, pistons burning out, a slew of other little issues etc) but to get to that 70% HHO - 30% PETRO ratio is what Im looking for (approx)

What do you have to say about the electronics/design of this unit?

hyknowledge 12-11-2008 01:22 PM

The electronics regarding this unit are of resonance drive technolgy.The unit however is not as efficient as the seller claims.Delivering 15LPM @ almost 200 amps is not exactly what most would call efficient.That much or more output can be produced easily using half that many amps.True the jugernut is a high output unit but the same if not more LPMS can be achieved by building 2 dry cell reaction chambers that have 13-12"x12" plates spaced at 1/16" configured -nnnnn+nnnnn- and using a pwm capable of handling the high amps.

gavinmacrae 12-11-2008 01:45 PM

what cell(s) in particular can achieve this 15LPM result?

dkjones96 12-11-2008 08:50 PM

Pistons will only get damaged because of other things. Not Hydrogen burning in the engine.

Bad timing can cause it as well as pre-ignition. You'd be VERY surprised at just how much of a beating an engine can take before it actually gets damaged. It takes REAL neglect to do that.

gavinmacrae 12-12-2008 04:36 AM

what is the MAXIUM ratio of HHO/GAS you have seen thus far?

ive heard 70% / 30% is the maximum you can go without serious engine modifications. What do you think of that?

dkjones96 12-12-2008 06:53 AM

I think they are full of it. If you made enough HHO to run an engine I see no reason you can't run 100% IF it's diluted with nitrogen rich(regular) air.

If you run 100% HHO under heavy load I can see issues with that as you are putting WAY more combustible material into that engine than it was designed for. Pretty much like opening a bottle of nitrous on the engine or running a lot of boost.

Dalez0r 12-12-2008 09:35 AM

Looking at this from a energy in > energy out point of view...

If you're running on 100% HHO, you wont have any power left to move the car after you power the giant rack of alternators it'll take to produce that amount of energy worth of HHO. And your battery will go dead anyways.

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