Is anybody using a Steam generator on their engines?
I ask because it seems like a great simple idea, I am currently making up all the prototype plumbing but if anybody has made one and has any tips I'm all ears.
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Cost and weight issues aside, there is an intractable problem with steam vehicles. Water freezes. How do you keep water from freezing, and then cracking the block or condenser?
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It could be a worthwhile experiment. However, it's my understanding that sucking heat out of the exhaust will lower EGV and therefore reduce torque. That's very abstract for me so I'm not saying it's a definite idea killer, just that it's worth remembering.
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One of the IT guys at work is a tuner head (likes to tune his crx with his laptop etc). He was telling me about a well known motor part guy (somebody who has a line of motor parts named after him:confused: ) had recently made a 6 stroke motor where the last 2 strokes were water. Sounded interesting. Sorry I don't have any more info for ya but it sounds like thats the trail your onto...sorta. Alot of guys use water injection on turbo motors so they can keep the heat down and really high boost.
Just in case...2stroke motors are what came in older motocross bikes, snowmobiles, etc. They don't sell them in the US anymore. 4strokes are like whats in your car (and the new motocross bikes, quads, etc too). |
2 stroke motors can still be found on small equipment (for example, chainsaws). I didn't know you can't get them on snowmobiles anymore, I thought snowmobiles would always have them.
There have been a few threads about 6 stroke engines: https://www.gassavers.org/showthread.php?t=565 https://www.gassavers.org/showthread.php?p=39170 https://www.gassavers.org/showthread.php?t=6777 |
You can still get 2 strokes on snowmobiles dirt bikes and small scoots. Mostly just Yamaha stuff. I know the Vino and Zuma scoots are still 2 stroke, and I'm sure they've got small snowmobiles and some small dirt bikes.
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I understand what your thinking about, the steam is water and should reduce combustion temperatures, that what I understood as well but something strange happens which I do not understand at all.
I have made a video so you can see what I'm talking about, I have been looking at patents for weeks and researching this which people have known about for decades. https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=w7gCo3tpBaA This is the patent description below. https://www.freepatentsonline.com/4986223.html it is worth a read. Quote:
Look at the list of similar patents! US Patent References: 3665897 STEAM INJECTION DEVICE FOR INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE May, 1972 Boyer 183/25B 3980055 Fuel saver and pollution control device September, 1976 Webb 123/25B 3996902 Waste-gas suppressor for internal-combustion engines December, 1976 Ri et al. 123/25B 4114566 Hot fuel gas generator September, 1978 Harpman et al. 123/25B 4122803 Combined internal combustion and steam engine October, 1978 Miller 123/25P 4409931 Combustion and pollution control system December, 1983 Lindberg 123/25P 4515135 Hot fuel gas generator May, 1985 Glass 123/25B 4519341 Heated water-alcohol injection system for carbureted internal combustion engines May, 1985 McGarr 123/25B 4594991 Fuel and water vaporizer for internal combustion engines June, 1986 Harvey 123/25B 4637352 Steam boosted internal combustion engine January, 1987 Green 123/25D 4779576 Water cooled scavenged crankcase type otto internal combustion engine October, 1988 Bidwell 123/25P |
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A 1 HP steam engine requires about 10 ft2 of boiler surface. Assuming that you want the steam engine to produce about 10 HP to supplement your gas engine, you need a 100 ft2 of boiler surface. Do the math, and calculate the mass of water and steel in the boiler. You'll be amazed at the weight. Hundreds of pounds. 2) Don't forget the weight of a condenser, unless you want to refill a water tank every 10 miles. 3) Exhaust teperatures of 1000 Celsius do not exist in an exhaust manifold, where you propose to put the boiler. Try 500 C. Water does not dissociate at that temperature. 4) You ignored my main point. How do you keep water from freezing in winter and destroying your steam system? |
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I actual don't know the true temperature of the manifold yet as I have no way of measuring it yet. You tube pulled the sound track as they claimed I stole the music in the background, how ridiculous! |
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