strange twist on MJs death
 

I read this and just started laughing.

the first part is all about the events of late concerning Michael Jackson's death but the last part took me by suprise

here is the article

https://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Musi...day/index.html

here is the excerpt if you don't want to read the entire thing

In the day's final development, a London woman filed a 93-page handwritten document in Los Angeles Superior Court claiming she was Jackson's secret wife and the mother of all three of his children.

In asking for all of Jackson's assets, the woman also added: "I have up to 30 children. My Father (Satan the Devil) Khalid Lucifer as he is known, gave them to us."

there are truely many crazy people out there.

turns out that page is one of those updating pages so that story is gone.

you'll just have to take my word for the quote

i'm interested to see how the autopsy turns out. we may be told the cause of death is another drug cocktail ending.

the truth is, any drug by itself has the potential, even taken under the proper dosage.

when people, especially kids, engage in a shooting, it is almost always dismissed as psycological issues, not cold blooded murder. true as that may be, the types of drugs prescribed for said individuals often are hallucinagens.

taken long enough, a mind stays out of touch w/ reality.

My ex was on serious pain killers for nerve pain for a year and a half (didn't work very well but it was better than the alternative). In addition to turning her into a zombie who slept 22 hours a day and slowing her digestive system to a crawl at one point they made her start hallucinating. Demons telling her she'd been molested as a child (definitely not true), CIA helicopters, thinking she has psychic powers, convinced I was going to abandon her (because of the psychic powers, of course...), that she was pregnant (she'd had her tubes tied years before so impossible). Nasty stuff. She also hallucinated she was in love with the guy renting our loft (a prospect that was laughable beforehand). For some reason that one stuck after she started to get better. The whole business definitely unhinged her. I can only imagine what a decade or more of lower level use without constant oversight would do.

I read it so I can vouch for you. It was tacked on right at the end in a very odd way almost as an afterthought: oh, yeah, and here are some of his crazy fans.

as flawed beings, we weave quite a tangled mess at times.

i believe there is no quick miracle fix or pill for any issue be it health, money, realtionships, etc.

This takes us off on a tangent, but I read something interesting on that issue:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/...shootings.html
Excerpts:If you proposed it to me as an alternative to the traditional criminal justice system, I'd be extremely skeptical and think you're some whining ultra-extremist...but I can't argue with results, and it's not like they're letting people off the hook, they're actually preventing it ahead of time. Neato.

Edit: LOL, the guy's name got censored by the swear filter...His name rhymes with "glutkin" but starts with an 's'.

bowtie,

drugs seem to be a quick fix to many problems (prescription or otherwise). stress seems to be something we all have to deal with. the only real way to deal with it is to deal with the source of the issues at hand. too many people go towards medication as the answer. the cold hard fact is that once you come down off of the high (there again, prescription or otherwise) the issues that got you there in the first place are usually still there.

I agree with you 100% on that one. there is no quick fix or pill in this life.

I'd heard about that program before but not their results. Must've been too early. That's fantastic, thanks for sharing. I've never heard an explanation for why the disease analogy is especially useful. "Recognizing violence has a cultural component" is more the way I think of it. I guess you could say culture could be likened to a disease, but it seems a bit of a stretch.

Yeah, the way they described what the program actually does, it didn't sound to me at all like they were treating it as a disease.

HC,

yes, fantastic link. that, i believe would work for the mentally ill as well. there is a physcologist i listened to once that declared chemical imbalances a theory at best, and likey a selling tool for drugs. nutritional imbalance COULD play a part but...

his many years of experience gave him the impression that failing to forgive others was directly related to mental illness. imagine an introvert being bullied and not able to forgive the bullies for many years. the feeling builds such that maybe he/she believes all jocks, girls, boys(whatever group) are all "against" him/her.

drugs would def complicate things, not help. at this point a desperate person can and will do anything.

Beef,

i used to be a big critic of the pharm industry thinking it was all a scam. the truth is there's a balance--cancer, diabetes, trauma, and such drugs do serve a purpose.

the problem is that we are OVER medicated. the US consumes ~70% of the world's prescription drugs, yet we are only ~4% of the world's population. does this constitute health? hardly! we are near the bottom in health of the industialized nations.

i do believe in healthcare reform, but not socialized healthcare. this issue, IMO, is the greatest and most controllable(reducable) expense/hurdle in healthcare.

bowtie,

there is a big difference between altering a persons physical state and altering a persons mind state. I think that drugs that alter a persons mind state are dangerous. obviously, they have their place. take the heavy pain medicine first, then yank out the tooth. don't take the heavy pain medicine because your life sucks. alter your life, not the perception of it.

my father has diabetes and now has a machine that automatically injects insulin into him via a needle that he changes every 2-3 days. his body (the physical) doesn't work right. the alternative to what he is doing now is grim at best. on the mental side, he enjoys life. he has 3 children, all married (inlaws are fun) and one grandchild for now (probably more to come, my sisters are still pretty young).

I think that anti-depression medicine is a tough one for me. I have went through tough times in my life and had to make hard decisions. most that are on anti-depression and the even stronger anti-anxiety medicine, are still living the same lives that they lived before they went on the medicine.

I may someday rely on the very medications that I condemn today and may have to eat my words. I still have to stand strong on my feelings. environment has a lot to do with mental state. if you want to change your mental state, change your environment. hopefully for the better.

and yes, america is overly medicated (generally speaking)

There's not enough information there to make any useful comparison.

The interesting statistics to compare would be our prescription drug usage to other industrialized nations, then compare that against how our health compares to them. We may consume 70% of the world's prescription drugs but be healthier than 80% of the world's population.

Once we get the more comparable (and compatible) statistics, we can look at many of the other variables - environment, occupation, recreation, general attitudes towards health, diet, physical fitness, culture, etc.

This reminds me of another interesting tangent about elderly mental ability:
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-aet062309.php

i'm with ya HC. what cannot be "monitored" is the non-industrialized nations that do not report stats. so, our % of drugs could actually be HIGHER in that regard. i'm not certain how many nations use little or no prescriptions.

we've all heard stories about those living in pristine enviros w/out TV, cars, drugs, etc that live well beyond what we do.

the other thing is that the pharm industry claims to have "cured" certain diseases. well, the argument(and studies) has been made that this is directly related to better sanitation practices.

my thought is of those pristine situations(like in the mountains), 'cause we know places like africa still have wide spread disease, but there are sanitation(and war) issues there certainly.

on a side note...even our own water system has harmful chemicals. i'd put that in the same class as the pharm industry. i really gotta get that shower filter, soon!