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tootal2 02-26-2014 07:55 AM

does cold weather affect gas mileage?
 
The gas mileage of my chevy spark has gone down since its been cold.

Jay2TheRescue 02-26-2014 09:38 AM

Yes. Engine warmup periods are longer, cold air is denser requiring more fuel, and winter blend fuels all combine to result in lower economy in the winter.

trollbait 02-26-2014 09:46 AM

Plus, tire pressures drop. So check and make sure they aren't low. Use a gauge, eyeballing doesn't work. By the time a modern tire looks low it is nearly flat. The TPMS will pick a low tire up before it looks low, but they have a wide enough range to not report a tire that is slightly low.

B3NN3TT 02-26-2014 11:56 AM

Economy in my Saturn went down around 5 mpg from summer to winter.

Cold engines run RICH until they get up to normal operating temp.

hoopitup 02-27-2014 03:12 AM

Use the front defroster only when needed. The AC compressor will run even though the AC button is not on.

theholycow 02-28-2014 09:29 AM

There's also more time spent in traffic jams on slippery freeways, increased rolling resistance on fresh snow, and lots of increased electrical usage for headlights/fan/etc.

Charon 03-02-2014 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopitup (Post 174395)
Use the front defroster only when needed. The AC compressor will run even though the AC button is not on.

That's only partly true. The AC low pressure switch will keep the compressor from running when the temperatures get down near freezing. The temperatures vary with the unit, but usually about 40F or 5C will be the cutoff. The idea is to keep the evaporator from freezing up.

Of course, if the compressor DOES run it provides a bit more load on the engine, which will then warm up more quickly.

hoopitup 03-02-2014 07:41 AM

I agree, but I know a lot of people that leave on defrost ALL the time & don't realize how wasteful it is.

tootal2 03-03-2014 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopitup (Post 174450)
I agree, but I know a lot of people that leave on defrost ALL the time & don't realize how wasteful it is.

turning the heater fan off till to car gets warmed up seems to help.
but it makes the car cold inside and the windows fog up sometimes

Charon 03-04-2014 01:12 PM

Leaving the heater blower off until the engine warms does help the engine warm more quickly. In truly cold weather there is a hazard involved in leaving that motor off. If the defroster is turned on after the engine warms, the blast of hot air hitting the cold windshield has been known to crack the glass. Decades ago Americans stationed in Alaska were told to turn the defroster on as soon as they started the car, to avoid that very problem.

Draigflag 03-04-2014 10:50 PM

Could use a partial grill block so the engine warms up quicker?

theholycow 03-05-2014 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charon (Post 174593)
Leaving the heater blower off until the engine warms does help the engine warm more quickly. In truly cold weather there is a hazard involved in leaving that motor off. If the defroster is turned on after the engine warms, the blast of hot air hitting the cold windshield has been known to crack the glass. Decades ago Americans stationed in Alaska were told to turn the defroster on as soon as they started the car, to avoid that very problem.

I cracked a windshield on a 1997 Pontiac kinda like that. I didn't wait until it was warmed up, I started it with the engine cold and fan on high then went back into the warm house until I could see that the ice on the windows was starting to melt. As soon as I touched it with the scraper it cracked.

trollbait 03-05-2014 06:14 AM

When cold enough that cracking the glass is a concern, I warm the cabin up by the dash vents first, or have the defroster on low fan and heat when the windshield is fogged up.

tootal2 03-05-2014 09:50 AM

Thanks, I will keep my fan on lowest speed till the car warms up


Quote:

Originally Posted by Charon (Post 174593)
Leaving the heater blower off until the engine warms does help the engine warm more quickly. In truly cold weather there is a hazard involved in leaving that motor off. If the defroster is turned on after the engine warms, the blast of hot air hitting the cold windshield has been known to crack the glass. Decades ago Americans stationed in Alaska were told to turn the defroster on as soon as they started the car, to avoid that very problem.


bobc455 03-06-2014 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay2TheRescue (Post 174374)
cold air is denser requiring more fuel

Not to be a nit-picker, but it's the other way 'round- the same amount of fuel requires less air. So density doesn't have an effect. (But yes, many other factors do affect gas mileage in cold weather!)

Don't forget that many states require "winter blend". Here in Massachusetts, starting on September 15th I can predict about a 5% drop in MPG, all in the name of "emissions".

trollbait 03-06-2014 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobc455 (Post 174717)
Not to be a nit-picker, but it's the other way 'round- the same amount of fuel requires less air. So density doesn't have an effect. (But yes, many other factors do affect gas mileage in cold weather!)

Don't forget that many states require "winter blend". Here in Massachusetts, starting on September 15th I can predict about a 5% drop in MPG, all in the name of "emissions".

I thought Jay was commenting on how cold, dense air takes more energy to push out of the way. In other words, increased drag.

theholycow 03-06-2014 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobc455 (Post 174717)
Not to be a nit-picker, but it's the other way 'round- the same amount of fuel requires less air. So density doesn't have an effect.

I'd say you're both wrong. Since modern cars mostly measure air by mass, it would be most accurate to say that it's the same mass of fuel and the same mass of air. (Granted, that air's volume is less.)


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