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zridrfsn 04-04-2014 09:17 AM

2014 Ford Fusion Hybrid mpg: dash vs. real
 
On our first fill up, we had overall 39mpg showing on the dash, (not sure what Trip2 showed), vs. our 306 miles driven divided by ~9.9 gallons, which equals about 31mpg on this 2014 Ford Fusion Hybrid rated at 47mpg.

It would be interesting if Fuelly would have spaces to report both the dash readout and the actual mpg. What are your dash readouts for overall and trip mileage showing compared to actual mpg for the Ford Fusion Hybrid?

Jay2TheRescue 04-04-2014 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by zridrfsn (Post 175293)
On our first fill up, we had overall 39mpg showing on the dash, (not sure what Trip2 showed), vs. our 306 miles driven divided by ~9.9 gallons, which equals about 31mpg on this 2014 Ford Fusion Hybrid rated at 47mpg.

It would be interesting if Fuelly would have spaces to report both the dash readout and the actual mpg. What are your dash readouts for overall and trip mileage showing compared to actual mpg for the Ford Fusion Hybrid?

In my 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid the dash readout is usually 2 MPG higher than my actual calculated mileage. Also, make sure when you fill your tank that you reset the average MPG readout. These displays are never intended to be exact, but generally are within 1-3 MPG. Also consider that most often they will overstate the mileage. Very rarely do I see one that reads less than the actual calculated mileage.

Draigflag 04-04-2014 01:30 PM

Sorry to hear you're getting that kind of mileage from a hybrid, especialy such a fresh model, it's down right disgusting. Personaly, i'd take the car back and get a refund. 30 MPG is not acceptable in this day and age.

Jay2TheRescue 04-04-2014 05:33 PM

Ok, I looked over your log. Not much to look at. Only two fills (and the first one doesn't count, as you don't know how far it went on that fuel. I would delete the first fill that the dealer did. In the long term Fuelly will include that 10 gallons in your overall fuel usage, and slightly drag down your vehicle average. Also, with this being a new vehicle, is it possible that someone accidentally reset the trip odometer after a couple days driving without realizing it? Its easy to do in a new car that you're not familiar with. Could be that nothing was wrong with it, but the trip odometer isn't showing all the mileage on that tank.

The car is still getting broken in. Plus hybrids need a short period of time for both the car to get used to the driver (yes, the computer does learn your driving habits) and you to get used to the car. Driving habits have a very strong influence on hybrid economy. If you are regularly driving 80 on the highway with the a/c on max you are not going to get anywhere near the posted economy estimates.

Hybrids are also very sensitive to tire pressure and fuel changes. Also excessive heat or cold will adversely effect economy. I noticed you filled up at 7-11. 7-11 fuel is probably my last choice for use in a hybrid. It will generally have as much ethanol in it as they can get away with. For optimal economy, you will want to use ethanol free 87 octane fuel if its available. I am fortunate that my regular fuel station only charges $0.10/gal extra for ethanol free.

Overall I feel that we need more data to determine if there's a problem with the vehicle's economy. Run at least 3 or 4 more tanks and see what happens with the numbers.

zridrfsn 04-04-2014 11:20 PM

Maybe dealer fill was 1-2 gallons shy?
 
Thanks for your insights. If the dealer fill was not really complete (although it was at the top of the gauge), so then if we did 306 miles on 8 gallons, instead of the 9.9 that it took to fill (did not try to fill again after shutoff at full pumping fuel rate), then the "actual" mileage would be 38mpg, poor compared to 47, but maybe getting there, thinking optimistically. I will check tire pressures and see what happens at the next fills before claiming warranty work needs to be done. Driving 10 miles this evening off the freeway the car reported 51mpg on somewhat suburban hilly roads 35-55mph. Temps around here have ranged 50-75F this past month.

I accelerate hard enough to not hold up traffic, but the rpm does not seem to exceed 3000rpm at that, so hopefully the engine is being efficient at that rate. However, with two different drivers sharing the vehicle, maybe that will confuse the programming? And maybe with the car dealer being in the middle of some of our commutes, the EV+ mode kicks in when it should not (it thinks the dealership is home, as well as our real home)!

trollbait 04-05-2014 07:51 AM

Can you reset the EV+? I've heard it can be turned off. It will have to relearn your home, but it should ignore the dealership at that point.

I second what Jay said. It will take time for the car to 'break in'. It is also possible that that your measured fuel economy was on winter blend, and that will also have a negative impact.

Draigflag 04-05-2014 09:13 AM

I just don't get it. Ford and Volvo are practically the same company now, and the 2014 Volvo hybrid gets 155 MPG, I dont see how the fusion can get such low fuel economy when it must be very similar to the Volvo underneath.

theholycow 04-05-2014 11:06 AM

Volvo describes their hybrid system as getting up to 37MPG.
http://www.volvocars.com/us/top/abou....aspx#/Drive-E

Are you perhaps looking at the rating for the plug-in hybrid that Volvo sells in the UK market?
http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...aspx?vid=32725

I don't see anything about the US-market Fusion being a plug-in.
http://www.ford.com/cars/fusion/trim/hybrid/

Comparing a plug-in hybrid to a non-plug-in hybrid is like comparing apples to coil springs. A more apt comparison would be a rating for the V60 where it is never plugged in, only running on petrol all the time. Then we could examine details like the different size of a gallon, car design, fuel economy rating tests, etc.

trollbait 04-05-2014 02:08 PM

Ford also sold off Volvo when it was scrambling to save itself before the recession.

The Drive-E is the name of their new ICE line. The only hybrid they sell is the plug-in one, which uses a diesel ICE. It is an AWD through the road hybrid. The front wheels are powered by the ICE and the back by the motor. It is completely different from Ford's system in the hybrids and Energis.
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...uto-show-debut

Draigflag 04-06-2014 12:19 AM

Ah I see, my appologies, didnt realise it was a plug in hybrid.

Still, the mileage seems very low for a hybrid, but as you say, it could just be because it's breaking in.

hoopitup 04-06-2014 01:12 AM

Looks like most here are getting mid 30s to around 40 MPG with the Fusion Hybrid. With a bit more aggressive hypermiling you should get mid 40's to around 50 MPG.

Give it a tank or 2 & concentrate on manipulating the car to maximize MPG's. Learning how to coast is vital to getting higher numbers.

theholycow 04-06-2014 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by trollbait (Post 175303)
Ford also sold off Volvo when it was scrambling to save itself before the recession.

The Drive-E is the name of their new ICE line. The only hybrid they sell is the plug-in one, which uses a diesel ICE. It is an AWD through the road hybrid. The front wheels are powered by the ICE and the back by the motor. It is completely different from Ford's system in the hybrids and Energis.
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...uto-show-debut

Ok, that's pretty darned cool.

Unfortunately the devil's in the details...
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Originally Posted by the article
it's not expected to be sold in the U.S. in its current form.

Great for folks where it IS available though.

Also:
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Combined fuel consumption on the European cycle is 129 mpg. Volvo freely admits you're unlikely to see this number in daily driving, and it's simply what the car achieves in testing.

{...}

In real-world driving, you'll rarely get close to the official 129 mpg, of course. Our test car managed a useful 50 mpg in hybrid mode during mixed city and suburban driving. That dropped to 38 mpg once we'd depleted the battery's reserves and had to rumble along on diesel alone.


Draigflag 04-06-2014 08:13 AM

Maybe 130 - 150 MPG is a tad optimistic, official figures often are, but I think 100 MPG is easily achevieable, there are normal non-hybrid diesels on offer from Volvo currently on sale that get close to 90 MPG.

Looser71 06-13-2014 06:15 AM

The actual mileage also depends a lot on your driving habits. The Fusion hybrid has a lot of customizeable screens that give useful feedback regarding fuel economy.
I have a Ford C-Max Energi and get 42 to 45 MPG in Hybrid mode even with a lot of highway driving. The dashboard MPG readout is about 2 MPG higher than it actually is. You can track the dashboard readouts in the comments for every fuel up.
Hope this helps.

TheBlancs 07-06-2014 05:29 PM

Our 2014 Civic Hybrid understates the actual MPG by about 3. It consistently reads 41-43 while we've calculated 45.6. I wonder if Honda made a decision to be very conservative about it.

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Originally Posted by Jay2TheRescue (Post 175295)
In my 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid the dash readout is usually 2 MPG higher than my actual calculated mileage. Also, make sure when you fill your tank that you reset the average MPG readout. These displays are never intended to be exact, but generally are within 1-3 MPG. Also consider that most often they will overstate the mileage. Very rarely do I see one that reads less than the actual calculated mileage.


Lesir 07-08-2014 03:35 AM

Hi, here is a link for US Ford Hybrids; Ford has finally decided to accept that their Hybrids fuel consumptions is totally different than advertised.
Read article...http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...open-questions

itripper 09-30-2014 07:06 PM

I agree that some gas sold at the cheapie gas stations affects mileage. I immediately see a 5% drop in mileage between the cheap gas stations vs a name brand like Chevron. Unfortunately, all gas in my area is 10% Ethanol, which drops 4 mpg off my car.
Everyone has a different commute, yours may be one that is not advantageous to mpg. My old residence allowed me to get 75mpg avg in my car, now that I live in a different area I average low 60's, nothing else changed but the route I have to take to work now.

MpgParadox 04-06-2015 07:42 AM

My brother has a 2014 Fusion as well and he averages around 40 mpg per fillup. He lives in hills, so I'm sure that has an affect, but seeing as how Ford was penalized for overstating it's hybrid gas mileage in advertising, he takes what he gets as acceptable. The other option is to drive a Ford F150 pickup truck.
I've notice that most in-car computer readouts are optimistic in their MPG readings. My Mazda product is consistently displaying 10% higher MPG than what I calculate at each fillup. My long gone VW also consistently reported 10% higher than what I would calculate after fillups. My wife's Accord Hybrid (2015) is the one exception. After 3 fillups, the car computer is reporting just about what is calculated. I just filled it up this morning and the car reported 46.3 MPG while the calculated MPG was 46.2. The other fillups were just as close, differing by only a tenth of a mile per gallon or so. I think that is pretty incredible. Most of the drive is flat city, to & from work, with the occasional freeway trip on weekends. If you really want to get a more accurate reading in your Fusion, think about getting a Scangauge II (maybe version III by now). I have it in my car (Mazda) and it can be calibrated at every fillup. The sad part is that it shows a lower MPG than the car computer, but the truth always hurts.

Jay2TheRescue 04-06-2015 12:20 PM

Yeah, Hondas seem to be pretty close with their estimates... I've heard that from several folks.

floridasand 04-24-2015 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay2TheRescue (Post 175295)
In my 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid the dash readout is usually 2 MPG higher than my actual calculated mileage. Also, make sure when you fill your tank that you reset the average MPG readout. These displays are never intended to be exact, but generally are within 1-3 MPG. Also consider that most often they will overstate the mileage. Very rarely do I see one that reads less than the actual calculated mileage.

My 2011 Prius averages about 2.5 mpg less than indicated. Our CRV is usually within 0.1 mpg of that indicated. Having another data field for indicated mpg is a good idea.

B3NN3TT 04-24-2015 12:16 PM

I always just put the indicated MPG in the "Comments" field.

All of my cars indicate around 1mpg higher than actual.


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