E85 - 85% Ethanol 15% Gasoline
Looks like they always talk about how great it is but forget to mention how much damage it causes to the engine.
Recent post in ETList https://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETList/message/5918 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85#Risks Gearing up for more production and the recent reports claim a 20% gain in energy when used compared to what it takes to make it. Of course you get less gas mileage with it so it doesn't work out anyway. Just wondering what byproducts are generated from making it . . . we could be up to our eyeballs in corn husks and mash. |
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Ford, Bush, and GM
OK, so Ford has been making "FFV"s for a few years that take either an ethanol-blend, or gasoline -- you may have seen the little leaf logo on the side of the Taurus or a Ranger perhaps. President bush makes his speech about using more Ethanol during the State of the Union.
Now, GM has this huge campaign of "Be Green - Go Yellow" or something like that with ads on TV and a huge display with pamplets at the Auto Show, so now the Tahoe can use E85! Like it's a brand new idea. My concern is that GM rushed it (as usual) and didn't fortify the vital seals and components like they should. Remember the Olds and Cadillac Diesels of the late 70's/early 80's? I predict the vehicles will have several recalls, put a bad taste of ethanol in America's mouth (no pun intended), and we're back to using dino juice. As for the price of E85, I remember 2 years ago in Iowa, it was similarly priced to 87-octane, because the taxes were lower and may have been subsidized. What America probably won't realize is they're going to get crappy mileage with E85. It has less energy than gasoline. So they're going to figure out -- well, my Tahoe EXT 4WD is getting 12 mpg instead of the 16 when I use gas. What's the point? Well, emissions for one, but people see dollar signs at the pump, not emisions. I think this is going fall flat on its face. To little, too late, bad start. RH77 |
excellent points rh77. ONe
excellent points rh77. ONe other thing to consider with e85 is that it is CHEAP to produce. I remember reading that gasoline takes more energy to produce than you get out of it, but e85 actually produces more energy than it takes to produce. This is mainly due to the fact that soy and corn take little energy to grow. They also get free energy from the sun.
The mileage aspect, as well as the price will be major hurdles to overcome in the war of public opinion. |
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I doubt we could make it
I doubt we could make it efficient enough but we could try, at least. Or just eliminate a large portion of it.
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