I don't know about conventional cars with fossil fuel engines being banned in cities, I know in the US it's not going to happen, for a long time. But here is an article proving my point, if you need some more, I can easily pull up more articles
Tesla’s Electric Cars Aren’t as Green as You Might Think | WIRED Note if they do become banned, then you might as well ride a pedal bike |
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For those that plan to buy and keep a new EV car for some time, the incentives make the cars very affordable in some states. In most cases, the battery will be usable for the 'life' of the car; pushing 100k miles and 10 years of age. Most cars will only be worth a fraction of their new price by that point. For those that only plan to keep a new EV for a short time, leasing is the best deal. The incentives' value are usually included in the lease rate, and they don't have to worry about the depreciation. For the more frugal that want to try a BEV, the current depreciation means they can get used cheap. Quote:
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And if that many households had a BEV, it would have a big impact on reducing emissions. We don't need BEV to replace all the ICE cars. Just a part, and get some of those ICE replaced by a plug in hybrid. Quote:
If 200 miles isn't enough for a regular day, that person should consider a PHEV or hybrid instead, perhaps a diesel. Many look at their individual situation, see that a BEV won't work, and declare BEVs won't work for anybody. It simply isn't true. Quote:
The weather might have to be dealt with in charging a BEV without a garage, but it you would have to deal with it to get into your house. But once plugged in, you can walk away from the car. In some jurisdictions that is illegal to do with an ICE. For those 8 hours, you can being watching TV, eating dinner, sleeping, or having a snog.:) Quote:
The big traction packs in cars are valuable as scrap. Before they are scrapped, batteries without enough capacity for a car use are still good for use in cell towers and such for back up power. Then the size difference means a 12 volt starter battery is more likely to be improperably disposed of than one of these traction packs. That article is a little skewed, or I should say its title is. Take, "In fact, manufacturing an electric vehicle generates more carbon emissions than building a conventional car, mostly because of its battery, the Union of Concerned Scientists has found." If the link is followed back to the UCS article, "We found that battery electric cars generate half the emissions of the average comparable gasoline car, even when pollution from battery manufacturing is accounted for." is what you will find in the introduction. Yes, more energy goes into making an electric car, but it uses far less while in use than an ICE one. |
There are lots of benefits to electric cars, there are lots of downsides too, the same for any car regardless of how/where it's made and the fuel it uses. At the end of the day, most people only care about the end product, we have all become a bit naive and "hungry" for the latest tech, most of us give very little regard as to how that product was produced and how it got here. When we buy a smartphone, we don't consider the children working in mines in third world countries, a lot of whom die young from being crushed. We don't think much about the poor Asian workers who manufacture iphones, forced to work 19 hours a day without a break, most of which fall asleep on the production line. 17 iPhone manufacturing employees have committed suicide due to poor working conditions and being overworked etc, no-body cares, we still want tomorrows tech yesterday don't we? Who knows the true cost of creating an electric car? Who cares? Probably just those who cant afford one yet ;)
You'd be surprised just how many places are going "car free" over here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_car-free_places |
I was suprised to see the MPGe figure for the electric cars posted as around 100-130. Is that saying the cost of charging equates to that amount of fuel?
If so, i had always supposed electric cars to work out more like several hundred mpg equivalent. |
I'm not sure if that's equivalent cost or equivalent per Kilojoule of fuel?! It apparently costs about £2 for a full charge on a leaf that will do about 80 miles.
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This is the Wikipedia article on MPGe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_...ine_equivalent
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So around 2.5 pence per mile, equivalent to closer to 200 mpg in cost? I realise I've replied to the wrong thread, the MPGe figures were in that list of 10 electric cars!
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Nice link Charlie - a lot to take in on a lunchtime, but comforting to see that my Prius is no more expensive to run than a pure electric vehicle (according to the table) - and I can get nearly 600 miles on each 5 minute "charge"!
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Yes, MPGe is the measure of efficiency based on energy content compared to gasoline.
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We have a lot of wind farms in Yorkshire - at least 3 big sites within 10 miles, including off shore, and plenty more as you travel.
I would prefer a plug in - but probably won't be able to afford to upgrade to a Prime when they come out, as it is the wifes turn for the next new car. She wants a 4x4 SUV (Which she thought stood for "Suburban Urban Vehicle!), so I am trying my hardest to convince her a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is what she really wants...! She can't stand the wishy washy pale blue they seem to favour, but spotting a black example she liked it, thought it looked completely different. However, she also likes the idea of a new kitchen, and there is nothing wrong with, and plenty of years left in our diesel Honda CR-V. |
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