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Speaking of accounting, they claim the average car sits unused 95% of the day. That's a costly asset to sit idle. Ultimately, the cost of maintenance, inconvenience of storage, inconvenience of parking, rising cost of petrol, and just the stress of being wary of other drivers, AND the initial cost of buying a car will drive (pun unintended) people away from car ownership. It just won't pencil out. |
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IF it had a 200 mile range. IF it was available in the US. If the battery was warranted for 10-100 at 80% of original capacity. Been a long time since Renault sold cars here, but they are affiliated with Nissan, which seems to have developed some of their quality issues. I have nothing against EVs, it's the price of admission that makes me hesitate. The Mirage has 26k miles, 2 years owned in May 17. Should last me to 71 or so, for about another $6000. I can drive coast to coast for $100 in fuel and never stop for more than a few minutes. |
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"In another 3 years it will be double that"
Yet another ludicrous prediction. The first EV available in the US in mass quantities has seen no significant range increase IN 6 YEARS. FACT Renault-Nissan does NOT own Mitsubishi. Mitsubishi is something like the 5th largest global conglomerate and could probably buy Renault-Nissan with their available cash-securities. After the fuel mileage fiasco Renault-Nissan bought around 35% of Mitsubishi's vehicle manufacturing subdivision. FACT How about posting facts capable of being verified with real evidence. If the trajectory of your fantasy battery prediction was even close to factual then based on the over 100 year existence of lithium battery tech we could drive a car around the world on a single charge. I remember the e-store claim of a 250 miles range after a 5 minute recharge. The claim was so ludicrous they did not even bother to consider the fact that that much energy can NOT be transmitted through any residential power grid without instantly incinerating the residence itself. |
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We are talking cars with 5 to 6 year generation cycles, not smart phones with one year ones. There are costs involved in upgrading a major component on a car that can make waiting until the next generation more attractive to the manufacturer. Toyota had developed the 40% peak thermal efficiency ICE in the new Prius a few years before, and chose not to put it into the gen3 as soon as it was ready. In BEVs, the Leaf and iMiEV received battery upgrades during a model generation. The Leaf got the lizard pack that was resistant to heat damage, and the iMiEV got a chemistry that performed better in the cold. Neither resulted in an increase to range. The Spark EV got a battery upgrade too, but I don't know what it improved. The Volt got the same upgrade with a slight boost to EV performance, but the car got a bigger boost when GM released their initial capacity buffer was too conservative, and they let the car use more of it. The 101 mile Leaf has a MSRP of around $34k. The next generation BEV Bolt has 238 miles for a little more than three grand more. The next gen Leaf should arrive in 2018, and will have a range comparable to the Bolt. Quote:
An aside, the leaf is a larger, and nicer car than a Mirage. Quote:
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These "break through's" are happening all the time, you need to keep up old boy! |
In a Netherlands interview, Elon Musk claims technology advances extend battery capacity by 5-10% per year. Keep in mind that's compounded annually. That's how we're about to jump from the typical 80 mile EV range to the 2017 Bolts and Model 3 Teslas with 200+ mile ranges.
Of course, this won't affect me, as I will the last man standing with the ONLY petrol car in the world. I just need to build my own backyard oil refinery to process crude oil. |
Musk followed in the footsteps of Joseph Kennedy. Both bailed out of a stock market that was oversold and overhyped. Both contributed greatly to the depressions that followed with old Joe's depression taking 25 years and a World War to see the market recover to the levels of late 1929.
Roosevelt was so impressed with Joe Kennedy's timing he made him the first head of the securities and exchange commission. In essence "the fox running the chicken coop", but it was an expensive lesson for old Joe, costing him two sons and one lobotomized daughter. Has the Nasdac reached the $5k level where it was when Musk bailed with his half billion. Been reading about battery tech advancements for at least 4 decades. Ain't happened yet. If the world was so close to a catastrophic global climate situation, then why would Toyota still be practicing the century old planned obsolescence with their hybrid advancements. Maybe their customers are complaining about saving too much fuel. |
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While you act as a proponent of better efficiency, your actions are just the opposite. I had my "crazy with the power period" with cars when gas was 30 cents a gallon in the US, pre OPEC. I held CDs that paid 5% in 2008-9 while the US stock market crashed from $14k to $6.5k and never lost a dime in that market. People that laughed at me for staying out of the market lost hundreds of thousands of dollars. You get one chance at this life. For your own sake maybe listening and respecting those whose life experiences exceed your own by vast amounts, just might save you a few predictable and easily avoidable situations, but based on what you post here, I doubt it. |
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