Like hybrids, plug ins disconnect the traction pack when the car is shut down for safety issues. The 12 volt is for booting up the computer and flipping the switch on the traction pack.

The North American Niro and Ioniq won't have a 12 volt battery, but a portion of the traction battery set aside for 12 volt duties.

I'm willing to gamble with your money ;-) I wasn't willing to gamble with mine. Especially when it means laying out double the money up front in the hope that maybe, someday, I'll break even or end up ahead. That, and considering the X doesn't meet my likes or needs on so many fronts, "not a contender" is the badge it earned in my comparison.

GM already made the EV car that I want. The problem is that they still haven't come down in price yet. You can buy a used Cadillac ELR for about $40,000 which is still a lot of money. I know new they were like $80,000 but still, $40,000 buys you a very nice car. You can only buy used because they don't make these anymore. I think it's one of the prettiest cars out there. The other problem with this car is that the second generation Volt costs the same money now as this used car, which is based on the 1st generation Volt.

Only 2,958 were made; 2,874 for the US and 84 for Canada. At least all the used ones are barely driven, which is great for me. This car is probably very quite and comfortable to drive, plus it looks gorgeous.

https://www.fuelly.com/attachments/fo...25b3f44e04.jpg

https://www.fuelly.com/attachments/fo...547d40cb8c.jpg

I drove one, tried to get my 91 year old mother to buy one, Pop shut that idea down when he found out it was a gussied up volt.

The Nissan Leaf has to be the fugliest. The ONLY good angle is from looking up at it, while it's on the garage service lift.