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theclencher 10-06-2006 12:02 AM

rolling resistance article from tire rack tech
 
In the United States, vehicle manufacturers are required to maintain an average fuel economy for the "fleet" of new vehicles they sell each year. Currently, the government Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) mandate is 27.5 miles per gallon (mpg) for cars and 20.7 mpg for light trucks (includes minivans, vans, and most pickup trucks and Sport Utility Vehicles). However because it's an "average" fuel economy, in order to sell large cars or trucks (that use more fuel), the vehicle manufacturer must also sell small cars and trucks (that are fuel efficient). The vehicle manufacturer can be fined if their annual vehicle "fleet" uses too much fuel, and can earn "credits" towards future years if their fleet's average fuel economy is better than the government mandated level.

A tire's rolling resistance does affect fuel economy. For that matter, CAFE is so important to most vehicle manufacturers that they demand their suppliers develop low rolling resistance tires to be used as Original Equipment on their new vehicles. In order to meet these demands, these tires are often designed with a priority on reducing weight and rolling resistance and are molded with slightly thinner sidewalls, shallower tread depths and use low rolling resistance constructions and tread compounds.

However, in order to understand CAFE tests and the roll that tires play, it is important to recognize that CAFE tests are conducted in a laboratory and not on the highway. Many aspects that affect fuel economy in the real world are reduced to "constants" incorporated into the formulas specified.

A vehicle's fuel economy is the direct result of its total resistance to movement. This includes overcoming inertia (Newton's Law), driveline friction, road grades, tire rolling resistance and air drag. In order to offer the same level of performance, heavy vehicles require more power (and more fuel) than light vehicles. All-wheel and four-wheel drive vehicles require more power than two-wheel drive vehicles; and boxy vehicles require more power than low drag aerodynamic vehicles.

But how much influence does each of these elements have and when are their influences felt? The relative percent of influence that these factors represent during stop-and-go city driving are very different then during steady, state highway driving.

During stop-and-go city driving, it's estimated that overcoming inertia is responsible for about 35% of the vehicle's resistance. Driveline friction is about 45%; air drag is about 5% and tire rolling resistance is about 15%.

Overcoming inertia no longer plays an appreciable role in the vehicle's resistance during steady speed highway driving. For those conditions it is estimated that driveline friction is about 15%; air drag is about 60% and tire rolling resistance represent about 25%.

Now, lets explore a scenario where a High Performance replacement radial tire has a whopping 20% increase in rolling resistance over a low rolling resistance Original Equipment standard passenger radial. To calculate the potential change in mpg resulting from using the High Performance tires in place of the Original Equipment tires, we would multiply the tire's percentage of influence in the vehicle's overall resistance (15% in the city and 25% on the highway) times the High Performance tires' 20% increase in rolling resistance.

If the vehicle equipped with standard Original Equipment low rolling resistance passenger tires normally provided 25 mpg in the city and 30 mpg on the highway, installing tires with 20% greater rolling resistance would only drop fuel mileage by a calculated 3% (to 24.25 mpg) in the city, and a calculated 5% (to 28.5 mpg) on the highway. While this is a measurable difference, it probably isn't much more of an influence on real world fuel economy than being stuck in rush hour traffic a couple of times a week or being stopped at every red light instead of continuing through a string of green lights.

Additionally, the easiest way to reduce rolling resistance to enhance fuel economy is to make certain that the tires are properly inflated. A vehicle that requires its tires to be inflated to 35 psi (based on the vehicle's tire placard) will have an increase in rolling resistance of approximately 12.5% if the tires are allowed to become underinflated to just 28 psi. Therefore, maintaining the vehicle manufacturer's pressure recommended for light load and heavy load conditions may almost be as important as the tires being used.

theclencher 10-06-2006 12:09 AM

More:

Disadvantages of Overinflation

An overinflated tire is stiff and unyielding and the size of its footprint in contact with the road is reduced. If a vehicle's tires are overinflated by 6 psi, they could be damaged more easily when encountering potholes or debris in the road, as well as experience irregular tread wear. Higher inflated tires cannot isolate road irregularities as well causing the vehicle to ride harsher and transmit more noise into its interior. However, higher inflation pressures reduce rolling resistance slightly and typically provide a slight improvement in steering response and cornering stability. This is why participants who use street tires in autocrosses, track events and road races run higher than normal inflation pressures.

Matt Timion 10-06-2006 12:21 AM

good stuff

rh77 10-06-2006 06:57 AM

Agreed
 
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Originally Posted by Matt Timion
good stuff

Agreed -- good stuff Clench.

RH77

GasSavers_roadrunner 02-03-2007 03:47 PM

I just saw this, and it is excellent. You are an asset to this webpage.

GasSavers_BluEyes 03-13-2007 04:03 AM

The info about OEM tires probably exlains why so many people gripe about how cr@ppy the original tires were when they buy their first replacement set.

Is there a site anywhere that lists Crr for tires?

GasSavers_jkandell 04-27-2007 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BluEyes (Post 43659)
Is there a site anywhere that lists Crr for tires?

I see Consumer Reports in their tire ratings have a column for Roll Resistance.

red91sit 12-10-2007 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by theclencher (Post 28626)
More:

... This is why participants who use street tires in autocrosses, track events and road races run higher than normal inflation pressures.

I ran over 50 psi in my cracked, ancient tires when I auto crossed the lincoln. Handling was definelty improved, and ride was noticeably deteriorated.

DarbyWalters 12-10-2007 12:47 PM

High pressure are run in auto-x because tires don't have time to warm up and are doing lower speed sharp turns. In road racing/track events starting pressures are usually lower than what you would think and build up pressure thru use (turning/braking). But for all practical purposes (street) a few extra pounds will help steering response and rolling resistence...tires don't build pressures that much on the street since the majority of time you are driving straight and not turning/braking at the limits of your tires.

s2man 12-12-2007 11:15 AM

BluEyes: Two sources I've found listing tires' Rolling Resistance Coefficients are slightly out of date, but many of the models are still in production.

https://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?re...=11620&page=60 (2002)
and
https://www.greenseal.org/resources/r...resistance.pdf (2003)

After a lengthy search, I finally purchased the General Ameri-G4S, the second lowest rating in the nap.edu listing at 0.0078. That was on a 215/75 tire, so I hope my 185/75's are even lower :) . The paper calls it the Continetal Ameri-G4S, but I wrote Continental, who make General tires, and they told me it was the same tire, just a different brand name on it now. My search would have been easier if I had stuck with my stock 195/65's. But I wanted to go narrower for even less RR, and no one makes a 185/70-15. Since the Cavalier came with 14" rims for many years, I was able to pick up a set of 14" rims at the junk yard. I purchaced 185/75's to maintain the same circumference, and hence, my speedo/odo readings (within 1 or 2 rev's per mile, probably less than the difference caused by tread wear).

My old Michelins were rated for 36psi, but I had them overinflated to 40psi. The Generals are rated for 44psi, so I put that in them right away - the heck with the placard on the door. Another interesting difference in the LRR tires is the tread width. 185/195 = 0.95, or 95% as wide. But measuring the treads actually shows the LRR tires are only 81% as wide.

I wish the RRC was standard, published info. It would help buyers make informed purchase decisions, without hunting the nooks and cranies of the web for out-of-date data.

GasSavers_SD26 12-12-2007 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DarbyWalters (Post 85468)
High pressure are run in auto-x because tires don't have time to warm up and are doing lower speed sharp turns.

A lot of that is done in auto cross too because the sidewalls collapse, and the contact patch becomes the sidewall in extreme situations with street cars that might not have really low profile tires.

Kind of a good picture...
https://www.mazda6tech.com/images/cam...f_camber_2.jpg

yi5hedr3 01-25-2008 01:05 PM

Interesting that the cheaper OEM tires give better fuel mileage than
the more expensive "better" tires! :)

quadancer@bellsouth.net 06-09-2008 03:17 PM

I don't see anyone considering that a narrow contact patch under higher pressures will wear out a tire much faster than normal, the load being distributed in more pounds per inch. This IMO, would offset some of your gas savings when you have to buy new tires much sooner.
I guess the question is just HOW many miles sooner over mpg over fuel cost vs. tire prices. I doubt it could be calculated off a track.

theholycow 06-09-2008 05:24 PM

Narrow tires should have worse rolling resistance, not better, per the link in my sig.

ShadowWorks 06-12-2008 06:19 PM

I think you need to drive each wheel onto a scale and calculate the weight each tire is loaded with, the do some maths and calculate the Psi for that tire?

I normally used to put my foot on the side wall and push the car, if the tire wobbled to much I would increase the Psi, but then some tires has soft side walls and some have stiff ones, its hard to know what is perfect for the least RR on your tire.

theholycow 06-13-2008 05:17 AM

Weighing each tire would let you fine-tune the pressure. There shouldn't be much difference across one axle, the left side should be pretty close to the right. The drivers side will be a little heavier because of the driver and the steering equipment, though I suspect the steering equipment is balanced by design with battery or other stuff in most vehicles. However, there are other reasons why pressure should be equal across an axle. I can't remember what they are though. :(

It would suffice to just weight each axle, which is significantly easier. In the US, and I'm sure everywhere, it's pretty easy to find truck scales for big trucks that need to weigh each axle; the scales are segmented for the purpose. The truck stop off I-95 RI exit 5B, for example, charges $7 IIRC.

suspendedhatch 06-13-2008 07:36 AM

You want the same tire pressure and same tires in the same condition across a drive-axle because of the differential. Having a difference on one side would be the equivalent of driving in circles all day long. If you have a front wheel drive car, then you can do whatever you want on the rear "dead" wheels. They have no steering connections and no differential. Rear wheel drive vehicles have steering on the front and a differential on the rear.

The weight on each corner of the vehicle varies more than you would think. Japanese vehicles are balanced somewhat, unfortunately they are optimized for their right-hand-drive layout. Yet I have serious doubts that varying PSI on each tire will give you any benefit to FE.

The proper way to set tire pressures is on a race track using a needle style pyrometer.

GasSavers_BluEyes 06-14-2008 03:49 AM

Actually, I believe Shadow is right. If you have a left-right weight differential, there should also be a different pressure in each tire to make the rolling radius of each the same. Of course, as soon as you add a passenger that would be fouled up, so we just set the same pressure in tires on the same axle.

I doubt any street cars outside of performance vehicles like Ferrari give too much attention to left-right weight balance. In a passenger vehicle there are far more pressing concerns than even a few hundred pounds of cross weight, things like fitting everything under the hood. Japanese are no better than any others. The transverse FWD layout is basically biased to whichever side the engine is on and different Japanese OEM's put the engine on different sides.

theholycow 06-14-2008 03:57 AM

I'm pretty suire that the radius of the tire is for all practical purposes exactly the same even with major inflation differences. However, if it was enough to matter, you'd want the same pressure left to right, because weight isn't going to change the radius, only pressure. I can't explain how I know that and I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure about it.


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