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Spule 4 01-05-2007 05:08 PM

Honda Accord Diesel to replace hybrid in USA
 
For those like myself that wondered what would happen to Hybrids when US diesel emissions could be met:

https://news.windingroad.com/alternat...accord-hybrid/

rh77 01-05-2007 07:49 PM

Sa-Weet
 
YES!

If this will indeed occur, this is a HUGE step in the right direction. I hope it breaks the bad Diesel perception that the U.S. has. If Toyota follows suit with its Isuzu-based Diesels (including the rumored hybrid), then count me in!

The 2009 4-cyl Diesel (hopefully manual) Accord might prompt me to investigate a purchase. If they team it up with a hybrid drivetrain, then we're actually getting somewhere. Honestly, 2009 had BETTER bring some hi FE, low emission drivetrains in North America.

RH77

The Toecutter 01-05-2007 08:42 PM

They should make it a diesel-hybrid, really. Preferably of the plug-in variety.

Spule 4 01-06-2007 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Toecutter
They should make it a diesel-hybrid, really. .


What, GM has been making one since the 1940s....

https://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/emd103a.jpg

rh77 01-06-2007 08:00 AM

Exactly
 
The 2 major players in the locomotive industry are General Electric and "EMD" (the Electro-Motive Division of noneother than General Motors). 95%+ of trains you see today use basic hybrid tech: a huge diesel engine, a generator, and DC (or more recently AC) traction motors.

RH77

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spule 4
What, GM has been making one since the 1940s....


The Toecutter 01-06-2007 01:19 PM

Quote:

The 2 major players in the locomotive industry are General Electric and "EMD" (the Electro-Motive Division of noneother than General Motors). 95%+ of trains you see today use basic hybrid tech: a huge diesel engine, a generator, and DC (or more recently AC) traction motors.
Indeed. GM still claims the technology isn't ready. Ferdinand Porsche did it in the 1920s...

Sludgy 01-08-2007 05:37 AM

Diesel electric locomotives
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spule 4
What, GM has been making one since the 1940s....

https://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/emd103a.jpg

Well, not quite since the 1940's....... Diesel electric locomotives don't store energy like a hybrid does. There were no traction batteries in old diesel electric locomotives.

Railroad regenerative braking has been around a long time on electric trains that fed power back to the power grid when braking.

rh77 01-08-2007 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sludgy
Well, not quite since the 1940's....... Diesel electric locomotives don't store energy like a hybrid does. There were no traction batteries in old diesel electric locomotives.

Railroad regenerative braking has been around a long time on electric trains that fed power back to the power grid when braking.

True -- the batteries again seem to be a crucial component as "Dynamic Braking" turns the traction motors into generators. The energy in "Dynamic" mode is fed into huge resistors and wasted into spent heat in the Diesel-Electric variety.

Electric trains like the Amtrak Acela in the Northeast Corridor take nearly all initial braking action and feed it back into the power grid :thumbup: (it still needs air brakes at each cars wheels to slow it down -- especially at speeds greater than 100 mph) :cool:

RH77


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