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GasSavers_DaX 02-02-2007 07:34 AM

1991 Honda Beat on eBay
 
https://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other...QQcmdZViewItem

For sale in Canada, but they say in the auction that they can get it legally titled in the US in either GA or FL.

Wish I could!

budomove 02-02-2007 07:48 AM

They are all japanese market right hand drive though :thumbdown:

otherwise they are really cool

cfg83 02-02-2007 07:49 AM

DaX -

I love it!!! I always wanted that car from when I saw it in the mags. But I can't justify it. And the steering wheel's on the other side. Too much mental overhead to drive.

And the insurance in LA? :(

How can it have 4 offers and be a "Buy it Now" sale?

CarloSW2

Matt Timion 02-02-2007 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfg83 (Post 39477)
DaX -

I love it!!! I always wanted that car from when I saw it in the mags. But I can't justify it. And the steering wheel's on the other side. Too much mental overhead to drive.

And the insurance in LA? :(

How can it have 4 offers and be a "Buy it Now" sale?

CarloSW2

People can make offers below the Buy It Now price.

the BIY price is $8000, so some people probably made offers of around $6000, which the seller most likely rejected.

Matt Timion 02-02-2007 08:38 AM

Dax, wait for the LHD version to be sold... then talk your wife into it :P

GasSavers_DaX 02-02-2007 09:07 AM

I'd rock LHD or RHD, either way. I wish I could talk the wife into it...damn, I'd fly to Buffalo and drive it all the way home (930 miles).

Haha, I really want it! Donate money to help me get it GasSavers!!!!!!!!!!

GasSavers_DaX 02-02-2007 01:42 PM

:eek: The wife gave me the green light on the Beat. OMG. I'm going to spend the next few hours running numbers on feasibility.

GasSavers_DaX 02-02-2007 02:58 PM

Say hello to the owner of a Honda Beat. :D

Matt Timion 02-02-2007 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaX (Post 39515)
:eek: The wife gave me the green light on the Beat. OMG. I'm going to spend the next few hours running numbers on feasibility.

WTF!?!

How did that happen?

GasSavers_DaX 02-02-2007 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Timion (Post 39521)
WTF!?!

How did that happen?

She pretty much said she knows I want to find a good looking car this time, and everything I've been looking at has be $3K and up. $7500 isn't bad for a car, PLUS she is sold on the good mileage, PLUS she is psyched to learn to drive a RHD, PLUS she likes that it's a convertible. :)

I'm so fired up...I think we're flying up to Buffalo on the 13th to take ownership.

budomove 02-02-2007 04:27 PM

DaX, Congratulations!

wikipedia says:

The Beat became the last car to be approved by Soichiro Honda before he died in 1992.


WOW! :thumbup:


p.s. did they mount the engine beneath the spare?

budomove 02-02-2007 04:30 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:HondaBeat2.jpg

looks good with steelies too!


i want one in lhd NOW!!!

Peakster 02-02-2007 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budomove (Post 39536)
DaX, Congratulations!

p.s. did they mount the engine beneath the spare?

It looks like a mid-engined car to me... the engine is located behind the driver, but in front of the rear wheels.

budomove 02-02-2007 04:48 PM

aww, look at the little head. so cute

https://wh1teleopard.tripod.com/id12.html

engine:

https://www.honda.co.jp/factbook/auto...ge/013-002.gif

and

https://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...HB:en%26sa%3DN

only in car engine pic i could find:

https://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...HB:en%26sa%3DN

random:

https://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...HB:en%26sa%3DN

zee future:

https://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...HB:en%26sa%3DG

cfg83 02-02-2007 05:06 PM

DaX-

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaX (Post 39519)
Say hello to the owner of a Honda Beat. :D

Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank your wife for all of us too!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't wait for Garage pix of the car and all the details you will be providing. Maybe Super-Mid Yoshi can hook you up with used parts.

CarloSW2

Silveredwings 02-02-2007 05:07 PM

Wow that car can't be beat. :D

budomove 02-02-2007 05:33 PM

looks like it handles really good :thumbup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA4Kg...elated&search=

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRqQc...elated&search=

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF8bH...elated&search=

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoHBA...elated&search=

MetroMPG 02-02-2007 05:44 PM

Very exciting. Jealous.

GasSavers_DaX 02-02-2007 06:43 PM

https://ww1.enjoy.ne.jp/~mituteru/

Pretty cool pictures.

I am so excited. I can hardly wait the 10 days until I get to go pick it up!

Peakster is right - mid engine RWD, 660 cc, I3 engine with ITB's.

budomove 02-02-2007 07:33 PM

Does the valve cover face the back of the car?

i have yet to see a pic og the engine from an angle that shows it's position within the car.

is the engine in front of the red wall that is in front of the battery?

what is the 4th wire off the dizzy going to?
:confused:

i love it!!!!

budomove 02-02-2007 07:35 PM

is the transmission is on the passenger side of the engine like a fwd, if so then the valve cover is pointing to the front?

i don't get how you access the engine? under the conv top?

GasSavers_DaX 02-02-2007 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budomove (Post 39570)
Does the valve cover face the back of the car?

i have yet to see a pic og the engine from an angle that shows it's position within the car.

is there a panel that you lift up in the back to access the engine?

looks like it should be easy to access. :thumbup:

what is the 4th wire off the dizzy going to?
:confused:

i love it!!!!

I'm going to guess that in typical 1991 Honda era, the engine was oriented similar to it's 4-banger counterparts - transverse with the exhaust coming off the front and the intake coming into the rear. It appears that the trunk panel lifts to expose the trunk and possibly another smaller panel toward the center of the car lifts to expose the engine. This is speculation yet again.

The 4th wire on the dizzy probably goes to an external coil.

budomove 02-02-2007 08:02 PM

Yeah. wow. you thinking of cutting the ottom half of the rear bumper like that other guy? :p

doesn't look bad cut, ahh...may be a little much. :D

nice car! ;)

budomove 02-02-2007 08:06 PM

you should prolly be able to get parts through these guys too, they've been on ebay for close to two years now selling beats.

then again it's a honda so what would go wrong with a 36k car? :)

never seen itb's on an efficient car b4 :D

i assume they measured mpg in imperial, huh?

still really efficient i'm sure, even if that's the case :thumbup:

10 days?! :eek:

GasSavers_DaX 02-03-2007 03:41 AM

The guy says TONS of parts from 88-91 Civics fit, and what doesn't, I can order through him and he can get through Honda Japan for me.

I agree about the 36K miles part - I mean, I'd have paid that much or more for a 1991 CRX with only 36,000 miles.

MTREC - multiple throttle responsive engine control - it's their ITB setup...maybe I should go ahead and get used to telling people "It's MTREC, not MTRECH"

The 10,000 RPM redline statement is misleading - I found out the tachometer goes to 10,000 RPM, but the redline is 8,500 RPM. Still pretty high.

About the mileage, I'm also confused - he's showing two figures. 27 km/L is the same as 3.7L/100kms or about 63 MPG. The lower figure he's showing is 17.2 km/L or 5.8L/100kms (only 40.45 MPG). I guess I'll just have to find out on my own.

10 days. :)

MetroMPG 02-03-2007 03:48 AM

Gearing is likely the big issue for FE with this puppy: 3 cyl; high redline; "performance" tuned city car. Poor thing will be screaming at US highway speeds.

Have you done a speed/gear/rpm graph?

You're going to have to do a Youtube video to show us the car when you get it home.

smithenhiven 02-03-2007 04:50 AM

Congrats Dax, that's one hell of a cool car. I'm sure this goes without saying, when you get it home, make a thread with tons of pics/vids/info.

GasSavers_DaX 02-03-2007 05:48 AM

Budomove - Look in these pictures - There are two access panels you can remove to gain large access to the engine - one panel is through the trunk and one is under the "rear shelf" the convertible top lays down into:

https://photos-422.ak.facebook.com/ip...59422_9944.jpg

https://www.fuelly.com/attachments/fo...8cfd4bd470.jpg

I'll be sure to do a big thread when I acually get the car. I'll have to borrow my mom's camera for videos and figure out how to post them.

Speeds per gear (calculated at https://www.f-body.org/gears/)

I used the gear ratios found on the eBay site:

1 - 3.428
2 - 2.166
3 - 1.576
4 - 1.172
5 - 0.941
FD - 5.714

...and I am guessing the car has the stock tire size of 165-60 R14's.

Here's what my 5th gear ratios look like:

RPM - SPEED
**********
2000 - 24
2500 - 30
3000 - 36
3500 - 42
4000 - 48
4500 - 54
5000 - 60
5500 - 66
6000 - 72

Wow. Looks like I'll be cruising in the slow lane the whole way home. I'm giving myself 2 days to make the trek. This car was obviously NOT designed for highway speeds. I bet the acceleration is nuts in the car though, haha. As I understand it redline is 8500 RPM, so I should be fine sustaining 5000 ish RPM's. It's going to suck on such a long trip, but I had a very close ratio transmission in my Civic and am used to 4000+ RPM highway cruising.

*EDIT*

After reading some more, these cars love high RPM's. I should be fine cruising at 6000 RPMs on the way home. I probably won't get the claimed 50+ MPG doing so, but it will be fine.

cfg83 02-03-2007 09:23 AM

DaX -

Congrats again. You're exchanging the Beater for the Beat. The Beater has 6 letters, but the Beat has 4 letters. The Beat has only 66% of the number of letters, so you are already saving 33% on the amount of letters you type in your posts.

And a source for parts and Soichiro Honda's blessing? How can you get any better than this?!?!?!?! I'll bet Soichiro was remembering his first Honda/motorcycle car when he approved it.

Question : Even though the revs are high, what are the revs on a typical 660cc Motorcycle? On one level the comparison isn't fair because of the weight difference, but if the motor is designed for a similar power/RPM band, then it should be ok, right? How long are motorcyle engines good for in typical usage?

Are you going to save any parts from the Beater to pass on to the Beat, or would that be bad luck? I don't know the Car-ma rules on this.

Double Plus Good!!!!! ;)

CarloSW2

budomove 02-03-2007 11:15 AM

Maybe you could swap out the final drive, and even some of the gears once you get a feel for it. interchangable with 4g civic tranny maybe. imagine the mpg if you swapped in an hf fd, and changed all the gears too! :thumbup:

DaX, the rears are 165/?/14 and the front stock is 155/?/13 according to something i forget.

GasSavers_DaX 02-03-2007 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budomove (Post 39633)
Maybe you could swap out the final drive, and even some of the gears once you get a feel for it. interchangable with 4g civic tranny maybe. imagine the mpg if you swapped in an hf fd, and changed all the gears too! :thumbup:

DaX, the rears are 165/?/14 and the front stock is 155/?/13 according to something i forget.

Yeah, maybe a gearing change can be a future project. If I ever drop the powertrain to change the clutch or something, I will probably open the transmission just to see what it's all about. I'm familiar with the tire sizes - I'll probably put new tires on it when I get it home. I think it's neat that the set of alloys on it has two different sizes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfg83
DaX -

Congrats again. You're exchanging the Beater for the Beat. The Beater has 6 letters, but the Beat has 4 letters. The Beat has only 66% of the number of letters, so you are already saving 33% on the amount of letters you type in your posts.

And a source for parts and Soichiro Honda's blessing? How can you get any better than this?!?!?!?! I'll bet Soichiro was remembering his first Honda/motorcycle car when he approved it.

Question : Even though the revs are high, what are the revs on a typical 660cc Motorcycle? On one level the comparison isn't fair because of the weight difference, but if the motor is designed for a similar power/RPM band, then it should be ok, right? How long are motorcyle engines good for in typical usage?

Are you going to save any parts from the Beater to pass on to the Beat, or would that be bad luck? I don't know the Car-ma rules on this.

Double Plus Good!!!!!

CarloSW2

I'm really unsure how the car will act to 15 hours of straight driving at high RPM's. I'll just really have to drive it and find out. You may be right comparing it to a motorcycle. Plus the engine is behind me, so most of the noise will be washed out by wind noise (this phenomenon is familiar to me from my 914 days).

I'm really undecided on what to do with the Beater now. I may still get an insurance claim on it. If they give me money and let me keep the car, great. If they total out the Beater, fine. If I do end up keeping the car, I'll probably part it out though - my father in law could use a few parts from it (exhaust, a door, etc) and I could sell off a few other things - like the minty fresh HF tranny. :)

smithenhiven 02-03-2007 01:39 PM

Dax, if there's ever anything you need from the Japan Yahoo Auctions for your beat that the guy you're buying it from cant'/won't get for you, just let me know and I can have my guy over there order it for you.

You may already know this, but if you want to search the Japan Yahoo Auction for Beat stuff, this is "Honda Beat" in Japanese: ホンダ ビート

The complete "Honda Beat" search result:
https://search.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/j...ode=2&auccat=0

SVOboy 02-03-2007 01:45 PM

I have always wondered why honda is ホンダ in japanese and not 本田 like the family name. I guess there's nothing like buying a book field to drive to work in...:)

GasSavers_DaX 02-03-2007 04:55 PM

I'm only seeing question marks...hahaha

budomove 02-03-2007 05:09 PM

DaX, u see ?'s for the japanese characters, or all you're getting is questions about the beat?

i see squares instead of japanese. :confused: :D

GasSavers_DaX 02-03-2007 05:14 PM

Yep, ?'s instead of Japanese characters. But I did look at the Yahoo auctions, some of them. I want the freaking hard top!!!!

Someone else on here should buy one, then we can get together and have a Beat Meet. :eek:

GasSavers_DaX 02-03-2007 05:21 PM

There is a "Z" version that was offered with black paint, an LSD, and some other options like a black gage face. I found this black gage face, but it isn't the Z version, because it has a 10K redline - both reular and Z versions only have the 9K redline.

https://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6...4346183720.jpg

EDIT

Here's my cluster with a white face that shows only a 9,000 RPM redline.

https://www.fuelly.com/attachments/fo...8ef4f0903e.jpg

budomove 02-03-2007 07:06 PM

i read somewhere that there were two versions.

a hard top would be awesome!

GasSavers_DaX 02-03-2007 07:11 PM

I've spent the last hour plus combing through the Japanese Yahoo Auctions...there's tons of stuff available. Google Translate does a fair job of converting the pages to English - enough to where I can get the gist of what the auction is for.

My cluster is the white one with the 9,000 RPM redline. Another thing that makes me think I'll be ok in high RPM's is that it makes 64 horsepower at 8100 RPM...can you say high powerband?

I love my NM icon, but I'm changing it...

budomove 02-03-2007 07:23 PM

check out engine placement in this pic.

this one has a b18...yours will be easier to access :p

stock engine is like 1/3 the size :D

https://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda...spagenameZWDVW

engine gives off free heat in the winter!

the halfshafts are so cute! :)


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