Hybrids killing mileage of non hybrids
Here the specs of The Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, and Chevy Aero from their prospective websites: (all were the smallest hatchback models with 5 speed trans)
Chevy Aero: 103Hp 1.6L 2343 lbs 37/27 Hwy/City Honda Fit: 109Hp 1.5L 2432 lbs 38/33 Hwy/City Toyota Yaris: 106Hp 1.5L 2290 lbs 40/34 Hwy/City Compare this to the CRX HF and Metro XFi CRX HF (depending on year) 62Hp 1.5L 1713-1967 (years 85-91) 56/50 Hwy/City Geo Metro XFi 49Hp 1.0L 1753 lbs 58/53 Hwy/City Obvously, if the auto makers wanted to, they could make modern versions of these high mileage cars. I wonder how much of this is showing their market research shows no one would by a low hp, taller gearing high mileage version of their current compacts, or if they do not want to release a low cost version of a non hybrid that can get as good mpg ratings as the Prius's or Civic hybrids. The Prius and Civic hybrids are larger, 4 door cars with over $20K price tags. Maybe as gas prices go higher, the market will decide and we will see HF versions of the Fit/Yaris/Areo. |
I could never figure out why GM dropped their Metro/Firefly models. My guess it that 2001 was pretty much the year of the SUV (when the Hummers, Escalades, and Navagators were rampant), so maybe they just dropped the FE models to focus on higher profit vehicles. Then after summer of 2005, gas prices went insane and now decked-out 2004 Explorers are sitting on the used car lots with $14,000 price tags on them (less money than new economy cars).
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Interesting (?) side note. On the https://www.genvibe.com/ website for Pontiac Vibes, the members complain that that Vibe doesn't get any advertising despite being a 30/36 MPG "crossover" before the concept reached the mainstream. The members think that the low advertising is to make sure that SUV sales don't suffer, and I tend to agree. When the gas prices were rising a few years back, Pontiac could have been pushing the Vibes MPG/crossover SUV factor to the hilt, but they didn't. CarloSW2 |
The Pontiac Vibe is actually the Toyota Matrix. GM buys from Toyota, and rebadges in order to help meet CAFE standards and improve brand reliability ratings. They can't advertise 'em too much, since they aren't really a GM product, and "production" of 'em is fixed iirc.
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But I didn't know that the "production" number was fixed. That would make sense in terms of answering the "crummy advertising" question. I need to research that. Here are the Pontiac Vibe sales figures that I know of (very out of date!!!) : https://www.genvibe.com/html/news/headlines.shtml Quote:
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I'm pretty sure cross brand acquisitions are based on fixed orders, since GM may only need X units to help meet CAFE standards, but I could be wrong. There's always negotiating for more...
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For the second part - absolutely - and it's a doubled edged sword. We do want funds put into research for new battery technology etc. The only way to do that is to keep interest VIA sales (to both keep these running advertisements/examples in public view and to generate funds). Unfortunately, we're near the theoretical max efficiency on our otto engines (mostly based on operating temperature). We can adjust gearing to a point - 70mpg would be great. But in my opinion, that's not a good goal. Aim for the stars and you'll land on the moon. I'd love to see an engine run at very high temperatures - and then effort put into reducing the consequences of emissions. So who's up for a titanium block and top head :P Of course, I'd rather see the effort put into battery and electric motor technology - turbines are much more efficient when it comes to power generation :P |
It's hard to build a car that can get 50mpg (or more) that the general public would accept. Because the car needs...
+110hp Minimum 1.5L engine (2.0L is better) The areodynamics can't look weired 0-60 in under 11 seconds to end up weighing 2,600lbs so it will get a 5star crash rating |
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Comparing the Fit, Yaris, or Aveo to the CRX HF or the Geo Metro is really comparing apples to oranges. I have been equally upset in the past for the same reason, until I realized that the auto makers are at the discretion of many influences including the Gov't regulations, profit, and the consumers. Consumers were not buying these gas sippers because gas was cheap(er) back then. There was also little or no profit. I know that my Honda Fit yielded almost no profit for the salesman, as he pointed out to me over and over again. Lastly, the safety requirements continued to become more and more strict. Because of this, weight is a real issue. If people wanted aerodynamic vehicles, most of this wouldn't be an issue. I really doubt, however, that any of the major auto makers will be willing to take the hit and manufacture a tadpole shaped car that no one wants to buy. |
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