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Raccoonjoe 06-19-2007 09:43 AM

TC lockup
 
OK....I think I've got a handle on why the torque converter is there, and what/how it does it's job. My question is this: I can wire my TC to a switch, allowing me to manually control lockup. If I do this, I'm concerned about possible damage to my transmission.

The possible scenario for use is something like this: I pull away from a stop, and let the car shift through the gears. In 3rd, I hit the switch for TC lockup. The transmission decides that it wants 4th gear, and shifts (with the TC still locked) Do you think I'll see a problem with that??

The stopping scenario is similar: I would go from 4th gear w/full lockup -> to N on the shifter. I would have to unlock the TC before starting, or risk the motor stalling (at full stop). Do you think I'll see any problems from this situation??


Let me know what you think...I'm considering this because in the 34-45 mph range, my Jeep has a hard time holding a gear. She'll go from 3rd unlocked all the way through 4th locked, and back and forth until I either slow enough for 2nd, or speed up enough for 4th to stay locked. Big problem with city driving......

savoF3 06-19-2007 11:14 AM

Quote:

In 3rd, I hit the switch for TC lockup. The transmission decides that it wants 4th gear, and shifts (with the TC still locked) Do you think I'll see a problem with that??
This won't hurt it. This is one thing the transmission will do by itself to protect itself in overheat condition (i.e. never unlocking the converter above say 35 mph and possibly also doing partial lockup in 2nd gear as well.)

I'm interested in the rest of the questions though.

rh77 06-19-2007 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by savoF3 (Post 59325)
This won't hurt it. This is one thing the transmission will do by itself to protect itself in overheat condition (i.e. never unlocking the converter above say 35 mph and possibly also doing partial lockup in 2nd gear as well.)

I'm interested in the rest of the questions though.

Transmissions tend to shift harder when they're in lockup. I have an annoying hill-logic control transmission that does a partial lock on steep hills (say in 3rd) and then once it calculates level ground -- ker-thunk: 4th (top) and locked quickly.

I've really looked over the operation of my auto in the Shop Manual. Stopping with the TC engaged manually could stall the engine, similar to a manual -- when not engaging the clutch. Shifting to N shouldn't be a problem.

Starting out from a stop, you'll need the torque multiplier action of an unlocked converter for efficient acceleration -- then lockup can help with that direct connection when you're ready (generally around 35 mph). With something like this, I might install a Transmission Temp. Gauge to monitor any potential overheating.

RH77

trautotuning 08-20-2008 01:11 PM

Hey, I know that this thread is a lil on the old side... but how did you wire that switch?

I have been wanting to do this but how?

Let me know, Thanks!

95CHERJUST 10-07-2008 04:40 PM

do they make a tc over ride switch for a 95 jeep cherokee obd1 4.0 auto

Jay2TheRescue 10-07-2008 04:44 PM

They don't make a kit for it, you buy a switch and install it yourself.

-Jay

95CHERJUST 10-07-2008 04:59 PM

sorry jay dumb question can you send me a link

Jay2TheRescue 10-07-2008 05:43 PM

There isn't a link that I know of, there are several threads around here where people have talked about it. What you really need is to determine which wire going to your transmission controls the lockup, and splice in there. I was thinking on doing something similar on my Buick as there's some computer problem in the car and the TC no longer gets a signal from the computer to lockup. Of course its easy on my Buick because there is only one wire going to the transmission. My plan is to get an "old fashioned" floor mount high beam switch and use it to control the TC lockup. This way I can just tap the switch and control the lockup.

-Jay

GasSavers_Pete 10-07-2008 08:19 PM

Keep in mind the TC lock up clutch is relatively small compared to a manual shift car clutch and the auto trans is designed to unlock the clutch anytime the torque demand from the driver is likely to exceed the limits of the clutch.
This is to give a longer life to the clutch unit.

Pete.

Jay2TheRescue 10-08-2008 03:14 AM

Yes, but when you're hypermiling you're generally not demanding a lot of torque from the engine anyway. Also note that I had mentioned previously that my TC is currently not locking at all.

-Jay

theholycow 10-08-2008 06:16 AM

Another thing to keep in mind is that your TC lock signal may not be a simple steady voltage applied, it may be a PWM signal (as in my 2002 GMC). It's important to find that out before just sending power to the TC lock wire.

dkjones96 10-08-2008 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 120713)
Keep in mind the TC lock up clutch is relatively small compared to a manual shift car clutch and the auto trans is designed to unlock the clutch anytime the torque demand from the driver is likely to exceed the limits of the clutch.
This is to give a longer life to the clutch unit.

Pete.

That depends on a lot of stuff(car make for example).

The Aisin transmission in the Tracker is an A44DE (VERY closely related to the A43DE used in the 84-86 Cressidas and Supras) and the A43DE in the Toyotas (along with the A340E in my 88 Cressida) would lock under WOT operation. First gear was TC lock-free as the Tracker is but in second gear at WOT ~4400(peak torque) you could hear and see the engine speed fall a few hundred rpm as the converter locked.

In the Tracker, the same transmission make but a different brand and slightly different model, the TC won't lock under heavy load no matter what the gear. I was under the impression though that this is done because it revs the engine up a little higher without completely changing out of gear.


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