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GasSavers_Erik 11-11-2007 04:18 PM

Tail pipe restrictor test
 
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I read the high flow muffler thread and was motivated to start a test last weekend.

I filled my 87 Civic's tank and then I drove a little more than 200 miles this week with a crude mod that decreased the size of the tailpipe opening from 1.5 inches to about the size of a dime. Its actually a steel can that is clamped over the tailpipe with a radiator hose clamp (fuzzy pic is attached).

Mileage for this tank (with the restrictor mod) was 37.45. The last tank was 38.59 mpg.

The A-B B-A part of the test I drove was 120 miles (60 miles between A and B) at 60 mph. The other 80 miles or so were mixed city/highway driving.

The weather was colder this week than last week and I wasn't sure if the previous tank was completely full. I also did no EOC this tank.


Noise- about the same at idle, definitely quieter at 60 mph.

Driveablility- not noticeable around town, a little less power on long steep hills

Other differences- when pulling a long steep hill, I could see the engine temp coming up noticeably even when outside temps were cold. It usually stays within 1/3 and 1/2, on a few hills it went up to maybe 60%. The temp doesn't rise this much without the mod when driving the same hills in warmer weather.

(By the way, I know I was no where close to boiling over. I overheated the engine several months ago and recall that it happens at the edge of the red zone- or at about 95% up the gauge).

I could also tell that the cooling fan was running more even when in city traffic. This makes sense because probably more of the hot exhaust gasses were remaining in the engine.

I plan to test it for a few more tanks before making a judgment. Right now I feel the results are inconclusive as to whether it increased or decreased my mpg.

The next model I build to test this will be a spring loaded exhaust tip that will maintain a certain amount of backpressure regardless of engine load/rpm.

I'll probably take it off tomorrow and do a few tanks without it and then do the improved version.

GasSavers_Erik 11-11-2007 04:25 PM

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A better pic

But not much better

GasSavers_Erik 11-11-2007 04:35 PM

Good idea- I was hoping that would be a beneficial "side effect" of my restrictor but i couldn't tell that the warm up time was any shorter.

Unfortunately, it takes this engine a long time to warm up because of the huge intake manifold that has coolant circulating through it.

cfg83 11-11-2007 04:38 PM

theclencher -

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Originally Posted by theclencher (Post 81593)
that's cool

i wonder if warm-up times could be enhanced with a tailpipe throttle?

also exhaust throttle shut when p&G?

should put em on priussesss

That's what I was gonna say! This is a very easy mod to test.

Erik -

Interesting observations. I like that you are maintaining driveability. Since your engine is running hotter, I wonder if this could be another "winter mod" in the making?

CarloSW2

CoyoteX 11-11-2007 04:44 PM

Is your exhaust stock or has it been modified?

There might already be enough restriction in a stock exhaust so adding more might not help much.

Rick Rae 11-11-2007 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by theclencher (Post 81593)
i wonder if warm-up times could be enhanced with a tailpipe throttle?

Whoa, what a nifty concept! :thumbup::)

This one deserves playing with. Could make a nice complement to grille blocks and so on.

Figuring out how to add a "choke" or whatever you'd use to adjust it might be interesting, though.

"Tailpipe Throttle" -- I like that! :D

Rick

CoyoteX 11-11-2007 04:49 PM

https://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...1_46544?CT=999

How about that and just swap out springs on it to adjust the pressure :)

https://www.jegs.com/images/photos/200/289/289-35619.gif

GasSavers_Erik 11-11-2007 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyote X (Post 81601)
https://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...1_46544?CT=999

How about that and just swap out springs on it to adjust the pressure :)

https://www.jegs.com/images/photos/200/289/289-35619.gif

Very good idea there- I was about to fabricate something, but that will be the easy route.

I wasn't doing this as a warm up strategy (although that could be a benefit), I was more interested in it as a "forced EGR" device. I was hoping that more backpressure would cause more exhaust to remain in the cylinders so less air/fuel was drawn in. This would cause one to open the throttle more, which should reduce cruising vacuum losses.

BUT, on the negative side, it will increase pumping losses on the exhaust stroke and when I open the carb throttle plate more, the power valve may be opened so that my mixture gets richer- which would be bad news for FE...

GasSavers_Erik 11-11-2007 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyote X (Post 81597)
Is your exhaust stock or has it been modified?

There might already be enough restriction in a stock exhaust so adding more might not help much.

I have a stock muffler and tight exhaust pipes, but the cat. converter and resonator are missing :( .

8307c4 11-12-2007 07:58 PM

I'll make it simple:

An Ice requires three things:
Air
Fuel
Spark

Increasing Air and / or spark should increase mpg so long you do NOT 'test' your new found power. Increasing fuel otoh will not increase your mpg.
As for the air, it really doesn't matter whether you increase the in or the out flow, for best results enhance both.


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