Early acetone test results...
Granted this is after just one tank...
Acetone used bought at Sally's Beauty Supply. Vehicles used: 1988 bmw 325 (usual avg. ~9.3 liters / 100klm) 1995 D2500 slt (usual avg. ~11mpg) Methods: bmw - onboard fe gauges (instant + cumulative) d2500 - fleet fuel computation (odometer readings / gallons) Concentration / dilution ratio: 3 ounces per 10 gallons fuel No improvements noted, perhaps 0.1-0.2 mpg but certainly no 10% Even on the truck it should improve by just over 0.5 mpg and that's only 5% The car, at 5% should come down to 8.9l / 100klm At a cost of $10 per gallon acetone I need to gain at least double that amount in improvements, so on a 30 gallon tank it needs to save about 6 gallons... 30 x 11 = 330... x10% = 360 = +3 gallons, hmmm yeah this method might not be all that it's cracked up to be. Maybe it improves mpg on cars that haven't ran good fuel as it might clean intake systems, but I always run super and a dirty intake is not a problem I ever experience. I'll run it until I'm through the bottle (I bought a quart) but by then I want to see it pay off or I'm done with it. |
i've had terrible results using acetone w/ certain brands of gas. make sure you don't pump a winter blend(ethonal) also. shell works well for my olds.
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But don't they all have ethanol now? The truck seems to have gone to past 11mpg this last fill up, I will watch it. There's not much fuel-wise, it's on fleet fuel (Woodfin oil). But the bmw has gotten worse, it's at 9.5 / 100... I might try some amoco / shell instead there, did use some wawa crap (thou super). Then again, if it goes back to 9.3 that's no miracle of acetone, just the fuel. |
acetone is the wrong chain of molecules to react with gasoline. You're wasting your time.
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You are doing the cost benefit calculation wrong . . . you only have to save $10.00 * 3oz/128oz = $0.234 per tank of 10 gallons of gas to break even or about .1 gallons at $3 a gallon in fuel savings which at say 30mpg would be an increase to 30.3 mpg or 1% to come out ahead. You got the acetone at a great price . . . will be trying some of Sally's next.
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Rumor has it that some Florida stations do not have ethanol in the mix . . . maybe we are exceeding the supply and they are cutting back - this is a good thing! Ethanol reduces the ability of the gasoline to vaporize - acetone increases the ability to vaporize but is counteracted by the ethanol.
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Ethanol blended in gasoline in smaller percentages (less than 15%) is used as an oxyegenate for pollution control. Typically winter blends have a higher percentage of ethanol than summer blends. It varies from state to state. I think Minnesota is state required to have ethanol in all gasoline. Here in NY I'm pretty sure they do also and I have yet to see any signs indicating either that there is ethanol in the fuels or even what percentage.
A lot of research has already been done regarding acetone in gasoline. The Mythbusters did a segment on it and busted it. Someone else indicated to me that its either the wrong hydrogen or carbon chain to enhance gasoline at all. |
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thanks, did not know that. not suprising tho. JanGeo, you could very well be correct, FL is behind on many things. agreed, this is a good thing for once. froggy81500, if you've read any of my posts you know that MUCH so-called scientific studies and intellectual theory hold no water. self testing is the only way to remove doubt or confirm it. a few of us agree here(by testing)that acetone does if fact work. many variables affect the % of gain(or yield no gain). i've tested both of my cars, concluding that it works on mine, but not my wife's. |
Yeah I saw the mythbusters test - big V6 at 60mph dyno test which is NOT where the acetone helps the fuel burn better. It helps more at lower throttle openings in engines with smaller amounts of fuel being injected where the fuel needs more help to vaporize not the gas guzzling american poorly built V6 engines that just dump fuel in. I have run with and without it and see an improvement with it as well as better idle and smoother throttle response. Would have liked to have used it without the ethanol in the gas though to really see how much it could have helped.
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I tried 2 ounces of acetone in a 13 gallon tank and got nothing more out of it than the tank before. Oh and that was with an ecotec 2.2 4 cylinder. |
Like I said it makes a big difference because it helps the fuel to vaporize better and if you are dumping a lot of fuel into the intake it will not help because the injectors are working well at that high volume of fuel . . . it's when they are only spitting out a little bit of fuel that it becomes more critical that the fuel be vaporized better so that it can ignite. It can be at the right total ratio but the fuel may not be blended very well with the air when only a little bit of fuel is injected. Which is what happens when you have a vehicle that is running slow at 40-50 mpg vs 20mpg at 60mph. 2oz in 13 gallons is too little an amount - you need 4 or 5 oz with that much fuel to get the peak benefit - too little or too much reduces the benefit to nothing. As far as V6 engines go I have a friend that I ran the scangauge on and saw 0.5gph at idle compared to my .1gph at idle in my Scion 1.5 liter 4 so yeah they suck gas like crazy 5 times what mine does.
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Gee, its a no brainer that a larger displacement engine will require more fuel than a smaller engine. Also, the amount of fuel being sprayed at the injectors is still going to be proportional to the incoming air. Atomization was a problem with carbs but not so much with modern fuel injection. |
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Some have tested isopropyl alcohol at 4-5 oz per 10 G to work with the ethanol blended in gas. Must be used with a lube such as 3 oz MMoil or maybe 5 oz WD40 per 10 G though.
Some areas have 90% isopropyl in drug stores I guess. |
Yeow I don't know about only 90% that still leaves 10% water not a good thing to be adding to the tank! Drug stores sell 70% and 90% all the time. I hear WD40 is a big NO NO to add to the fuel system also - contains stuff that either doesn't burn right or attacks plastic in the fuel system.
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There is already water in your ethanol laced gas? Some even use 70% isopropyl...so they claim...to "remove" water from gas in winter. |
I guess the real test would be to add some to gasoline and see what happens - if it separates out into a white cloud or droplets of water at the bottom then it's not a good idea.
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The other thing to do when testing acetone is use different concentrations because all engines are NOT built the same, do NOT always run 14.7:1 mix ratio and do not have exactly the same fuel pressure, injectors, port aerodynamics, are not always running the exact same blend of gas, and most importantly are never in the exact same state of cleanlyness, repair, or operation.
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My 2.8L Turbo Diesel only burns .4gph at idle in neutral...pretty good for the size
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