Fuelly Forums

Fuelly Forums (https://www.fuelly.com/forums/)
-   Hypermiling (https://www.fuelly.com/forums/f33/)
-   -   Scangauge MPG formula (https://www.fuelly.com/forums/f33/scangauge-mpg-formula-7081.html)

VNelson 12-18-2007 04:50 PM

Scangauge MPG formula
 
Does anyone know how Scangauge computes its MPG? For most (if not all) cars it would have to be derived from some combo of OBDII sensor readings.

cheapybob 12-18-2007 05:02 PM

Distance from (VSS * time) / Sum(Injector pulse width) * adj factor

That would be my guess

skewbe 12-18-2007 05:09 PM

We worked through a lot of this here. Depends what pids your car sends.
https://www.gassavers.org/showthread....highlight=trim

VNelson 12-18-2007 05:47 PM

Thanks, skewbe. I thought it would vary depending on available codes.

VNelson 12-18-2007 08:43 PM

Well, I read the thread and it had no actual formulas. My OBDII does not report MAF so I needed an estimator. I did some Internet searching and found this thread:

https://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/engi...-maf-obd2.html

Reading through it the catch is without an MAF you need an estimate of volumetric efficiency (VE). I read elsewhere that for a modern 4-cylinder most people use 80%. I suppose you could fiddle with that number a bit.


In the thread, Bruce Lightner had the clearest explanation and here are his formulas:

MPG = (14.7 * 6.17 * 454 * VSS * 0.621371) / (3600 * MAF / 100)
MPG = 710.7 * VSS / MAF

Note that OBD-II VSS reading is in kilometers/hour and MAF reading is grams/sec times 100.

This formula works very well in a modern automobile because the engine computer spends almost 100% of its time managing the fuel-air-ratio to 14.7, which it can do very well because of the "closed loop" feedback from the O2 sensor(s).

In fact, the accuracy of this method has been proven in literally tens of thousands of gasoline-powered vehicles. Accuracy within a few percent is typical, often limited by the accuracy of the vehicle speed reading (i.e., VSS).

As for other ways of doing this, especially if you don't have a MAF sensor, by knowing the displacement of the engine, and after a simple "calibration" using fuel tank "fill-up" data to find the only unknown, namely the "volumetric efficiency" (VE) of the engine, MAF can be calculated from RPM, MAP and IAT. With VE, one can use the following formulas to calculate a synthetic "mass air-flow" (MAF) in grams per second, all without a MAF sensor, using the "Ideal Gas Law", as follows:

IMAP = RPM * MAP / IAT
MAF = (IMAP/120)*(VE/100)*(ED)*(MM)/(R)

where manifold absolute pressure (MAP) is in kPa, intake air temp (IAT) is in degrees Kelvin, R is 8.314 J/°K/mole and the average molecular mass of air (MM) is 28.97 g/mole. Note that, in the above formula, the volumetric efficiency of the (4-cycle!) engine is measured in percent and the engine displacement (ED) is in liters.

The VE of my 1999 7.4L Chevy Suburban is about 65%. Smaller, higher performance engines can have VE's of 85% or higher.

Best regards,

Bruce D. Lightner

cheapybob 12-21-2007 06:33 AM

The lack of injector pulse input from the OBDII explains why the MPG ends up as an approximation, because it has to assume a 14.7 to 1 A/F ratio as a basis for the calculation. This means it is true that the scangage would miscalculate the MPG if the intake air temp sensor was faked until the fuel trims reflected it.

Learn something new every day...

PS: Yes, thanks for posting the info


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:36 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.