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bobc455 07-16-2008 12:42 PM

Welcome to the HHO Forum
 
HHO has been touted by many as beneficial. Others are skeptical.

However evidence seems to be lacking.

Therefore, this forum has been created for discussion of HHO.

Supporters of HHO are encouraged to start gas logs, and read the "experiments" section for guidelines how to make a convincing post.

Those who don't care about HHO can ignore this forum.

As always, spamming etc. is not allowed.

-Bob C.

vectorg 07-16-2008 11:05 PM

My Father used to take me to the Reno Air Races back in the 1960s, and he would tell me how the fastest Unlimited planes used water injection to give them a boost in power. Today, I went to one of the HHO websites and they also discussed how the WWII fighter planes used water injection. This really makes me believe that an HHO system can work.

I have not tried it, but I sure would like to hear from anyone who has installed one.

Thanks.

dkjones96 07-17-2008 08:57 AM

Water injection is not HHO.

thornburg 07-17-2008 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkjones96 (Post 111422)
Water injection is not HHO.

I second that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engines)

Maybe the welcome thread should be stickied?

vectorg 07-17-2008 01:01 PM

That Wiki article doesn't exist, FYI.

Here's a quote from the article I read on a website that sells HHO kits:

"Our kits use a vacuum driven bubbler - first used on fighter planes in WWII - to draw Brown's Gas and water vapor into the engine manifold where it combines with the hydrocarbon (gasoline) fuel. The amount of Brown's Gas and vapor being drawn into the engine manifold is very small - less than 0.25% - but its effect on the power output of the gasoline is dramatic."

-watertogas.com-

Are you guys saying that an HHO system doesn't create Brown's Gas?

Can you guys please backup your statements.

dkjones96 07-17-2008 01:29 PM

Water injection is used as a knock inhibitor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engines)

HHO(Brown's Gas) is the Hydrogen and Oxygen created from the electrolysis of water that is supposed to increase the burn rate of the contents in the combustion chamber and increase mileage.

That's the link he was trying to do.

vectorg 07-17-2008 04:18 PM

Thanks, dk. All I'm trying to say is that a method similar or identical to HHO is used in fighter planes and air racing, and they call it "water injection."

bobc455 07-17-2008 05:22 PM

Water injection is totally different - the water is injected as straight water, in order to help control the combustion and reduce detonation. Water injection can be done with a regular windshield-washer pump as your only equipment, no fancy chemical reactions.

It's used especially in racing applications with a "boosted" (i.e. blown/turbocharged) engine. When you are really pushing a motor to the hairy edge, a bit of water can help keep things under control.

-BC

COMP 07-17-2008 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobc455 (Post 111489)
Water injection is totally different - the water is injected as straight water, in order to help control the combustion and reduce detonation. Water injection can be done with a regular windshield-washer pump as your only equipment, no fancy chemical reactions.

-BC

i agree ,,,,i used that way back

thornburg 07-17-2008 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vectorg (Post 111477)
Thanks, dk. All I'm trying to say is that a method similar or identical to HHO is used in fighter planes and air racing, and they call it "water injection."

Quote:

Originally Posted by vectorg
That Wiki article doesn't exist, FYI.

Does anyone ever do a search before saying something like that?

I didn't make it a "link" so you had to copy and paste... you probably missed a character, or your browser did something dumb with the characters. Someone just after you linked to it, and you still didn't read it.

Water injection bears no relation to HHO at all, AND HHO was not used in old fighter planes and race cars, water injection was.

Also, there's another type of water injection that is NOT HHO, but does work, but it is a special type of engine. One of several types of six stroke engines injects water into the cylinder (without fuel) after the fuel has burned and the piston is backed in the compressed position. The heat in the engine instantly vaporizes the water, turning it to steam, pushing the piston and giving you a "free" power stroke. It also cools the engine (the "free" power stroke comes from converting waste heat into useful energy by vaporizing water).


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