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01-23-2007, 05:20 PM
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Tuggin at the surly bonds
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Others are saying they don't care whether it's just cynical politics that is leading to the legislation, or genuine interest, as long as it happens.
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Well, IMHO since the rhetoric is used to defuse the situation rather than solve the problems, they usually just return to the business-as-usual of pandering to corporate interests sooner.
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01-23-2007, 07:19 PM
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so hahahah is there anyone here that is not a democrat?
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01-23-2007, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by thisisntjared
so hahahah is there anyone here that is not a democrat?
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I'm not a democrat, I'm not a republican either.
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01-23-2007, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by thisisntjared
so hahahah is there anyone here that is not a democrat?
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Eh, I've been affiliated with no party since I registered to vote. Too much corruption on both sides of the issue.
BTW, Jared... i belong to a number of forums and the "bush bashing" is coming from both sides of the fence these days.
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01-23-2007, 11:17 PM
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*shrug*
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so hahahah is there anyone here that is not a democrat?
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Socialism FTW.
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01-24-2007, 06:37 AM
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Tuggin at the surly bonds
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Originally Posted by thisisntjared
so hahahah is there anyone here that is not a democrat?
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I'm neither.
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01-24-2007, 06:55 PM
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But frankly, repubs and dems both have me thoroughly disgusted and I don't expect any miracles out of either of 'em.
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thats how i feel. and now i feel the real problem is that the president is one and the legislative branch is the other. meaning if something gets done then it is a miracle.
i understand there is a lot of bush bashing everywhere, and thats just how the position is. every president gets heat because nobody is perfect.
ben a socialist? no...
anyway, given the response, i have a new question. is anybody here a democrat or a republican?
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01-24-2007, 07:21 PM
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ftw = for the win
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01-24-2007, 10:10 PM
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The same president who helped kill the electric vehicle is now asking Americans to conserve, when there is a very poorly developed mass transit system? This is the president who's former Chief of Staff, Andrew Card, acted as plaintiff against the state of California during a court case involving the ZEV mandate. This is the president who's Department of Justice filed an amicus brief supporting GM, Ford, and Chrysler in their goal of stopping the ZEV mandate.
And now he's expecting Americans to conserve when sufficient practical outlets have been stifled? Won't happen. We need alternatives to our current way of life, and for most people, they do not fit in with any economic reality because our government has using the tax system to fund a very wasteful lifestyle since the post WII days, which artificially penalizes lower impact lifestyles.
There is a lot we can do to conserve, but with today's level of technology, Americans shouldn't have to sacrifice to a huge degree in order for conservation to be achieved. The problem is, people like Bush have made sure our only choices are "use lots of oil" or "go without", by stifling certain technology.
Americans are going to keep thinking with their wallets, and as long as gasoline is artificially low in price due to tax subsidies, as long as mass transit isn't well developed, and as long as alternative fuels aren't available, Americans are going to keep on guzzling gas well before they will conserve. Give them the alternatives so that sacrifice doesn't have to be made, then conservation would start tomorrow.
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01-25-2007, 02:12 AM
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Tuggin at the surly bonds
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Originally Posted by The Toecutter
Americans are going to keep thinking with their wallets, and as long as gasoline is artificially low in price due to tax subsidies, as long as mass transit isn't well developed, and as long as alternative fuels aren't available, Americans are going to keep on guzzling gas well before they will conserve. Give them the alternatives so that sacrifice doesn't have to be made, then conservation would start tomorrow.
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I think you've hit the nail right on the thumb! I believe this is all by design: consumers and businesses want the cheap gas to continue, so like *****s, politicians don't have the spine to suggest we talk about "the elephant in the room," let alone make a sensible change. Nick Nayler beat us to the hearts and minds of the American sheeple.
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