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ok since we don't have sponsors or deep pockets like alot of people i was thinking maybe we can enroll some help with some of our experiments and myths about saving gas?? what do you guys think about submitting for some help? if u guys think this would be a good idea post up some ideas either here or on https://community.discovery.com/eve/f...m/f/2991937776 <here to see how far we can get with this! try and include some of our experiments so they can compare with us?? :thumbup:

exposure and entertainment reasons would be great. that's if GS is mentioned on the show. too many variables in testing tho, especially for TV(ratings). ie some things work on certain cars, but not others. some things work on any vehicle, but lesser % increase is not tangible on lower mpg autos, etc.

agreed, but THAT would not be nearly as entertaining(ratings).

i was just throwing the idea out there cuz i saw the episode about fe and it kinda sucked! they did no real experiments besides additives and aero. so i was thinking just throw some ideas on the forum to see if any of them catch on, and if they're expensive we wouldn't have to waste our money?!

They also had another show where they used some different things with a two different cars on a dyno. THe only one I remember them doing is the fuel magnet, but there were others they tried also, none of which made a difference.

Yes, I'd like to see some controlled experiments
 

I hate to offend, but I find it hard to believe the mileage some people claim. Not that I disbelieve, just that my scepticism cuts in whenever people make up their own experiments.
There *do* exist criteria for true fuel consumption tests. I'd like it if people were at least asked to use these before posting.
On another note: I'm a l/100km guy. I don't have a clue as to what an US mpg is.
l'm enough to remember an imperial gallon back from 1973, as well as miles.
Now, as a web designer I also know how easy it is for a site to vary certain parameters according to a user's choice - or even the region revealed by their IP address.
Is it all so hard? Real tests, expressed in the language of your region?

Guy sets up his own test stand...surprising results?

https://www.mpgresearch.com/viewtopic.php?t=2006

The mileage claimed isn't based on testing procedure etc. - It's based on tank to tank fills :thumbup: Which, in itself, is at the whim of things like pump error (which is why it's recommended to fill at the same pump every time and fill in the consistent manner).

Check out some of the stickies in the experiments section ;)

https://www.gassavers.org/showthread.php?t=1155

It's recommended that some form of method be taken for testing procedures (and several well written experiments actually do follow this or similar procedure). This attempts to control some variables while presenting characteristics (such as wind and temperature) that question validity. In my opinion, and I'm one that semi-frequently reads peer reviewed papers et. al., data like this loses some credibility when factors that could throw off results are not mentioned.

But of course, and lastly, on road testing does not provide results. On road testing must be taken as anecdotal data. In the end, go with what works for you - but don't take other people's data as evidence. That's not to say reliable members are sources of incredulous data - just that your mileage may vary ;)

I used to frequent the mythbusters forum..... A few people on there are really worth having a discussion with.... But most of everyone else... holy crap. If I have to explain the physics behind, yet another time, why a conveyor belt has no bearing on weather or not a plane can take off..... I might just turn emo :eek:

There's a thread on the SA forums that has been going for something like a year on that subject. ... I don't get it either.

Here's the quick off topic thought experiment ;)
1. You are a plane
2. You are wearing roller blades (landing gear)
3. Your engine is a rope that is tied to a pole in front of you (pretend like it's thrust applied through the air)
4. You are standing on a conveyor belt (treadmill)
5. Start pulling yourself forward with the rope and turn the treadmill on

You will move forward ;) Why? Because you're applying power through the "air" - not through the ground ;) You will not remain stationary nor will you move backwards - remember, it's airspeed that matters, not ground speed. When I explain in these terms, almost everyone I've spoken with has that "Eureka" moment :p

Well, when it's hot and humid, it takes more airspeed for aircraft to take off. Ya sea? :D

While pumping error would certainly give you variations in the calculated MPG for a given tank, I'm pretty sure it would average out over a few tanks:
If the pump cuts off early on a given tank, you would get slightly higher calculated MPG than you actually achieved. But, that would leave you with a less than full tank. When you run the tank down and fill it back up to full (without the early cutoff), you would fill up that space in the tank that the early cutoff made you miss, in addition to the fuel that was burned. Since the fuel dispensed is greater than the actual fuel burned, the calculated MPG would be lower than what was achieved.

You'd think that would work.. but they're convinced that wheel drag would counteract the thrust. And while that's true to a certian extent, rolling resistance is a mostly linear thing, and quite small, especially with the tire pressures that airplanes run.

Some people are just determined to live with their head in their own little ostrich hole. That said.. I see that same "point of view" here sometimes.

I wouldn't go so far as to say their heads are buried -- only because what's intuitive for one person is an abstract concept for another... But it really does suck when the very in depth and detailed explanation is argued for something as small as bearing heat/thermal expansion :rolleyes:

Yeah totally - it was more of an example of how anal some of us are to control variables :)

ok.... soo.... any myths or anything you guys think we should ask to be played with!?

I like to get mpg averages over 10,000 miles or so ;) My lifetime in this car is 55.39 over 68,000 miles. Sure a tank might be a bit off one way or the other, but it's got to be pretty darn close at 68k :)

Ram Implosion Wing... Seems like it's right up Mythbuster's alley.

1) Found on Internet
2) Crazy claims
3) Goofy Testimonials
4) Inventor says he's been told it violates fundamental physics, but disregards this
5) He even sells a kit! For a steal of $450+ or custom built for over $800 :rolleyes:
6) Website hosted on tripod :rolleyes:

https://quantumgravitics.tripod.com/id3.html

yea you've gotta love that one!

looks like he's heading for a star trek convention.

Not very well-read on FE, is he. :p

Rick

Here's one da boys can get a good laugh out of?

https://www.mpgresearch.com/viewtopic.php?t=2019

"The average results fall into the 65% to 85% improvement range." :eek:

I agree, I've seen them bust the myth about removing the tailgate on a truck...
Now on my 95 it doesn't help at all to remove it either.
But on my 86 it sure did...

So I'm not too excited about an entertainment show to help spread the word, even less so if it gets busted, then we're just idiots.

https://search.aol.com/aol/redir?src=...ion=WebResults Maybe I should send this link to mythbusters.

Yeah they used the cheap fuel magnet that you can buy from jcwhitney for 30-40 dollars I've used that one too and it does not work period.

I have also used a more expensive one called an Energy-Cel.
https://www.myenergycel.com/
I hate this new web page... GAG.

It seems to have made a difference on my old bug. I need to test it on my other car still but I don't want to take it off of my bug and I don't want to buy another one.

Oh and if hydrocarbons are not affected by magnets then why is there research on how to make super magnets out of hydrocarbons?

go figure.

Ummm this is joke right? What the F!!! is a wing like that on my car do other than make it a vandal's prime target?

Water gas? 2(H2) +O2 = 2(H2O) or can an take H2+O2 and make H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) still not a gas

Okay so water looks like this HOH naturally now this guy is saying that they break water apart from HOH and then re-combine it to make HHO and that some how is a gas?

I have heard about hydrogen boosters working they take water and break it in to hydrogen and oxygen and then they way it improves MPG is that they recombine and turn to steam in the cylinder and create more mechanical energy rather than chemical/heat energy. It also helps the gasoline expand better when it burns. I need to build another one to do long term testing with.