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koji_kabuto 03-24-2011 03:31 AM

very informative graphs
 
https://www.fuelly.com/attachments/fo...96d30ce729.jpg


https://www.fuelly.com/attachments/fo...cf3e5b3b63.jpg
SOURCE: Adapted from Amann (1991).


https://www.fuelly.com/attachments/fo...8d4db064c5.jpg
SOURCE: Adapted from Ford Motor Company (1991). but this section explains the vtec-e homo/stratified charge.

Automotive Fuel Economy: How Far Can We Go?

i had this paperback for free ages ago yet i forgot to share it. being naive i dont know if anyone has this:o

theholycow 03-24-2011 04:38 AM

Re: very informative graphs
 
What a coincidence! Just a little while ago I was thinking of finding or making something like that, but not as good. These are great!

GasSavers_Erik 03-24-2011 05:06 AM

Re: very informative graphs
 
Thanks for posting these!

The most surprising thing for me on the top graph was the friction loss. I expected it to be low at idle and high at full load.

theholycow 03-24-2011 05:55 AM

Re: very informative graphs
 
That isn't surprising because the graph is in percent of fuel energy. That's why BSFC improves closer to full load, and why I prefer low RPM with open throttle.

Also, reciprocating loss is missing, but then the graphs don't deal in RPM.

koji_kabuto 03-24-2011 06:44 AM

Re: very informative graphs
 
this is from early 90's as the tittle "Automotive Fuel Economy: How Far Can We Go?" i have the pdf. i dont have a host for file sharing though. it has some good stuff in it.

GasSavers_Erik 03-24-2011 07:33 AM

Re: very informative graphs
 
Ok, I think I get it now. So if we burn 1 cup of gas in an engine at idle, it will run for quite a long time and it will turn so many rotations that the relatively small frictional losses per crank rotation will be additive and will be very significant.

Whereas if we run a cup of gas through an engine on a dyno at near full load, it will not run very long (fewer revolutions) so the frictional losses add up to less even though they are greater per revolution.

theholycow 03-24-2011 07:54 AM

Re: very informative graphs
 
Seems to be (at least partially) viewable online at
https://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309045304

theholycow 04-03-2011 08:29 AM

Re: very informative graphs
 
The book is at https://www.multiupload.com/FHNOBGOUXQ

koji_kabuto 04-03-2011 09:24 AM

Re: very informative graphs
 
i have a bunch of statistics, CAFE stuff, general.... one could say boring. ill look for the studies and effects of etc etc, i know i have them in my back up hd. in the meantime i give CAFE 2008

https://www.fuelly.com/attachments/fo...f11dcb3cf3.jpg


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