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GasSavers_scostanz 08-07-2006 03:48 AM

Identifying a CX/VX Transmission
 
Are there some identiying marks on a CX/VX transmission that distinguish it from the other models? If not, how can one determine a CX/VX tranny by looking at it?

Thanks!

-- Scott

lindermant 08-07-2006 04:01 AM

see the notes section on the link below:

https://www.knology.net/~jediklc/gearratiosdseries.htm

hope this helps!

SVOboy 08-07-2006 08:40 AM

The one in my basement certainly is. It's for sale, of course.

molecule 08-08-2006 06:08 PM

i've got 2 cx/vx trannies as well 4 sale

j*f encoded on the sticker by the front torque mount
where * = letter/number
my memory mastery reminder for this is "Jah Fuel"
i'm not sure on how complete this is for identification of them on a regular basis...
of all the cx/vx trannies i've seen...3 or 4...they all had it...

GasSavers_bense 08-28-2006 11:40 PM

NO NO NO NO NO.

your best bet is to get an old clutch. mark it. Place the mark at 12 o' clock

push the shift rod into the trans, putting it in 4th gear (0.853)
mark the differential.

the final drive is 3.25, 4th gear is 0.853

3.25 * 0.853 = 2.77225

it should take 2.77225 full revolutions of the clutch to make one full revolution of the differential.

so it should turn 2.77 times and end up pointing a little after 9'o clock to make one full revolution.

and of course make sure that the sstamp near the oil fill plug says a000 instead of b000.

serial numbers mean nothing.

GasSavers_scostanz 08-31-2006 04:13 PM

Thanks for the advice everyone. I picked up a CX tranny a couple of weeks ago for $75 and it goes in the car tomorrow hopefully. The sticker says J8B and I did the suggested test and I ended up a little after 9 o'clock so I'm pretty sure it was not misrepresented by the seller.

-- Scott

SVOboy 08-31-2006 04:16 PM

I have one for sale as well, *cry*

kwtorbe 09-24-2006 11:23 AM

Is it possible to put an HF transmission in my '97 civic HX without to many modifications---I see the HF is cable while the later HX has hydro control.

Matt Timion 09-24-2006 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwtorbe
Is it possible to put an HF transmission in my '97 civic HX without to many modifications---I see the HF is cable while the later HX has hydro control.

Completely different mounts, pedals, etc.

is there a reason you want the HF transmission over the HX/CX/VX transmission? I'm pretty certain that the existing transmission will actually be longer geared than the HF transmission.

SVOboy 09-24-2006 12:15 PM

Matt, the HF has longer gearing than the vx/cx, which has longer gearing than the HX.

Anyway, yeah, you won't have much luck with it, I'd toss a cx transmission in if I were you (or vx, whatevs).

Here's the relevant gearing too look at: https://crxmpg.com/9200dgearing.html

Matt Timion 09-24-2006 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SVOboy
Matt, the HF has longer gearing than the vx/cx, which has longer gearing than the HX.

Anyway, yeah, you won't have much luck with it, I'd toss a cx transmission in if I were you (or vx, whatevs).

Here's the relevant gearing too look at: https://crxmpg.com/9200dgearing.html

Odd... for some reason I thought the VX/CX was longer than the HF.

IN terms of ease of installation, availablity, etc., I'd say that a CX/VX transmission is the way to go.

SVOboy 09-24-2006 12:22 PM

I should've also noted in my post that you'll want a 92-95 cx transmission, :p

CRXHFFTW

kwtorbe 09-24-2006 10:43 PM

Thanks guys. Just wondering. Also, since I will be going from the OBDII '97 HX tranny to the 92-95 OBDI CX/VX tranny (assuming I find one), will i run into any problems with the Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) or anything like that...

SVOboy 09-25-2006 04:18 AM

The VSS might be different, I'd do a part number search, but I'm fairly confident that even if the shape of it is different the old one will fit in the new hole or if you have a cx/vx one it'll plug into the old harness.

kwtorbe 09-25-2006 02:16 PM

Thanks--Good to know.

GasSavers_scostanz 09-27-2006 05:42 PM

In my case, I used the VSS sensor that came with my CX tranny. It actually improved the accuracy of my speedo a bit. I went from about 3% too high to about 2% too low. I'd keep the one that is in the tranny if it is still there.

-- Scott

kwtorbe 02-21-2007 08:36 PM

Okay, I found a transmission for $150 out of a '92 4-door (don't know the model), the seller gave the ID number as S20-1185791. Does this tell anything about the transmission or is it merely a serial number?.... Also cx and vx were only 2 doors right?

SVOboy 02-21-2007 09:13 PM

CX and VX were only two door hatches, that tranny is prolly no good.

GasSavers_NickF829 02-26-2007 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molecule (Post 22169)
i've got 2 cx/vx trannies as well 4 sale

j*f encoded on the sticker by the front torque mount
where * = letter/number
my memory mastery reminder for this is "Jah Fuel"
i'm not sure on how complete this is for identification of them on a regular basis...
of all the cx/vx trannies i've seen...3 or 4...they all had it...

on my vx, the tranny says S2O as the first 3 characters on that sticker with a barcode on it... does this mean its now a vx/cx tranny? if so, what tranny is it from?

**edit** i found the stamp near the fill plug on my tranny, it indeed says A000, so i guess i have the right trans

thanks

NICK

kwtorbe 03-11-2007 05:52 PM

Hey guys, thanks for the info. I finally got a CX tranny from ebay w/ 110k miles for $41. It didn't come with the VSS or clutch slave cylinder.... I was hoping I could use my '97 VSS and clutch slave cylinder in the '95 CX tranny. Will it work?

kwtorbe 06-06-2007 05:07 PM

I finally installed my CX tranny in the HX and got over 50mpg! This is the first modification I have made that has made a drastic impact on FE and I am tickled pink!

SVOboy 06-06-2007 05:10 PM

Good stuff!

GasSavers_Ryland 06-06-2007 06:50 PM

I assume you swaped out a 5 speed for another 5 speed? can you give us any info on the change in engine speed, problems incountered while doing the swap, and how much of your improvement was due to driving style and how much of it was due to the new transmision?
Do you have a scangauge? it's new enough.

GasSavers_bense 06-10-2007 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SVOboy (Post 27481)
Here's the relevant gearing too look at: https://crxmpg.com/9200dgearing.html

These ratios aren't entirely accurate. You got these from the knology site which has a few errors.


Quote:

Originally Posted by kwtorbe (Post 43519)
Hey guys, thanks for the info. I finally got a CX tranny from ebay w/ 110k miles for $41. It didn't come with the VSS or clutch slave cylinder.... I was hoping I could use my '97 VSS and clutch slave cylinder in the '95 CX tranny. Will it work?

Yes.



I'm not sure if you guys realize this. But HX's have been known to have the b000 on the stamp near the fill plug. A few 3.25 final drives from the cx/vx have been found in the hx trans. HX trans have a 3.7222 final drive with a 0.702 5th gear.

Most HF trans have the final drive of 3.25, not 2.95 like the knology site lists. I believe its only the 1988 HF that came with the 2.95 final drive. The only problem is that the spline count on the input shaft for the 1988 trans is different, so you'd have to swap clutches and pressure plates. So the only real feasable HF transmission is the 3.25 version. So the only difference in your cruising gear is the 5th gear of 0.694 instead of 0.702. We're talking 1.1% difference in gearing. Not enough for any of you guys to notice. We're talking 30rpm less per minute if that.

kwtorbe 06-20-2007 06:05 PM

My HX had the 3.72 gearing. At 65mph it cruised at 2500rpm. Driving technique was keep at or below 65mph, shift at 1500rpm between gears.

Now, with the 3.25 CX tranny I drive 65mph at 2100rpm. The gears are alot longer so I can easily hit the 1500rpm shift point in 1st. It is slower and I do lug the engine alittle now taking off because of the longer gears.

I have consistently got 43-45mpg with the HX while trying my hardest to get my previous goal of 50mpg. Now I drive the same way and I am able to pul out alittle over 50mpg. It is the gears and I suggest this swap to any gassaver without a doubt.

One thing to mention is that the faster I go the more I notice the longer gearing. The first thing I did with the car once it was on the road was take it on the highway. I went 80mph and was at 2700rpm rather than 3700rpm. That final drive gear is LONG. Honestly it was easier to cruise at 65mph with the HX transmission because the rpms were higher. Now I can go 70 and still have lower rpms than 65 with the HX. I just have to watch the speedometer more now....

kwtorbe 06-20-2007 06:17 PM

Oh yeah, no problems with the 5-speed to 5-speed swap. I bought new driveaxle seals from Honda for about $10 each. I also installed a new ebay clutch kit. It cost $85 shipped and was an exedy oem style. This clutch is softer than my other clutch and took alittle getting used to. The hardest part of the job was aligning the transmission with the clutch on the engine. I ended up rotating the engine very slowly while my dad shook the transmission back and forth. Total install time was 4 hours including travel time for tools from the house to our shop.

My buddy with a 2000 Si wants me to install the HX tranny in his car for better FE. When installing a d-series onto a b-series I am guessing I need d-series driveaxles, HX tranny, and d-series flywheel and clutch (or just clutch?). Is this correct? Is it better to use the HX flywheel/clutch or the Si flwheel with d-series clutch.

I heard they bolt up fine and any info is appreciated. His rpms are WAY high with the Si tranny....4.400 final drive.

kwtorbe 06-20-2007 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scostanz (Post 24641)
Thanks for the advice everyone. I picked up a CX tranny a couple of weeks ago for $75 and it goes in the car tomorrow hopefully. The sticker says J8B and I did the suggested test and I ended up a little after 9 o'clock so I'm pretty sure it was not misrepresented by the seller.

-- Scott

My CX tranny also had J8B on the serial stickers.

GasSavers_scostanz 06-20-2007 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwtorbe (Post 59757)
Now, with the 3.25 CX tranny I drive 65mph at 2100rpm. The gears are alot longer so I can easily hit the 1500rpm shift point in 1st. It is slower and I do lug the engine alittle now taking off because of the longer gears.

What size tires are you running? I'm running about 2500 at 65 with my CX tranny with 175/70/13's.

GasSavers_scostanz 06-21-2007 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scostanz (Post 59771)
What size tires are you running? I'm running about 2500 at 65 with my CX tranny with 175/70/13's.

I mis-spoke earlier. I'm running 2250 rpm at 65 with 175/70/13 tires. I apologize for the bad info, need to avoid doing things quickly when I'm tired. :0

-- Scott

be_good_customs 11-13-2007 11:05 AM

who's the guys with the vx trannys i need one rater quickly drop me an email begoodchopshop@chicagoz.com

panamacolin 11-13-2007 11:56 AM

Whats involved in installing a crx hf tranny into a 1995 civic vx?

also has anyone done a rear brake conversion on a civic vx? whats involved? What disc did you use ? What car did you pull them from. I saw 1991 crx si with rear disc at the junk yard the other day is it possible to swap those onto a vx?
Thanks!

be_good_customs 11-14-2007 09:26 AM

^ your best bet is ti get you'r year integra and stealing those brakes you can find them in the junk yard all the time

limerence 12-25-2007 09:19 AM

is there a pro to putting in the hf tranny? in the market for a vx tranny now. would like to know if a hf tranny would be a better bet

Quote:

Originally Posted by panamacolin (Post 81926)
Whats involved in installing a crx hf tranny into a 1995 civic vx?

also has anyone done a rear brake conversion on a civic vx? whats involved? What disc did you use ? What car did you pull them from. I saw 1991 crx si with rear disc at the junk yard the other day is it possible to swap those onto a vx?
Thanks!


StorminMatt 12-26-2007 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwtorbe (Post 59762)
My buddy with a 2000 Si wants me to install the HX tranny in his car for better FE. When installing a d-series onto a b-series I am guessing I need d-series driveaxles, HX tranny, and d-series flywheel and clutch (or just clutch?). Is this correct? Is it better to use the HX flywheel/clutch or the Si flwheel with d-series clutch.

I heard they bolt up fine and any info is appreciated. His rpms are WAY high with the Si tranny....4.400 final drive.

Sorry. There is NO WAY to make this work. With the exception of nuts and bolts, there is absolutely NOTHING compatible between D-series and B-series powertrains. They are pretty much different in EVERY way. If he wants to use a D-series transmission, he also needs to swap a D-series motor.

On the other hand, if he wants to keep his B16A AND get lower freeway revs on a 2000 SI, the only thing he can do is either swap over to a full 1994+ Integra LS transmission, or swap the LS fifth gear into his SI transmission. The second option might actually be better, since he would still have the tight gearing in gears 1-4 for around town acceleration (the 2000 SI is a VERY heavy car for a 1.6 liter engine). And as for the final drive, I actually believe the 1999-2000 SI has a 4.266 final drive (the same as the LS).

Nden 09-22-2008 11:43 PM

for swapping rear-wheel disc you'll need the entire rear hub w/discs/calipers & i believe rear brake lines matching the vehicle u got the rear discs from. i had some from a DC teg but sold em yr ago =(.
hmmm i've got a DX trans on my VX right now. w/my wacky o2 & EX tb...im gettin 36-38mpg. i'm keeping an eye out for another VX/CX trans & will put the DX trans up for sale when i get one.

GasSavers_Erik 09-23-2008 09:05 AM

Converting to rear disks might hurt your mpg- as the calipers drag more that well adjusted drum brakes.

suspendedhatch 09-23-2008 05:03 PM

They're also slightly heavier, but no, they don't affect mpg.

The easiest thing to do is find an EX/Si from 92-95 or a 94+ Integra and grab the entire rear trailing arm/hub assembly. It's quite difficult to separate the hubs from the trailing arms, but that's the cheapest route. You'll need an impact and some torque bits. Another benefit to swapping the entire rear suspension is that you'll get the LCAs that have mounting holes for a rear swaybar.

Danronian 09-23-2008 08:11 PM

I swapped in a rear trailing arm set-up from a 99 Si (the LCAs are different, but every other part of it is the same as the 92-95 parts) onto my VX (along with the disc brake proportioning valve) and it made a huge difference in stopping and resisting brake fade. I don't drive fast and I do plan out my stops usually for maximum MPG, but I really like the safer feeling it gives me.

I noticed no decrease in MPG at all with the addition of rear discs. :)

GasSavers_harry 03-04-2009 02:43 PM

how much do you want for the trans and where are you located.

GasSavers_harry 03-04-2009 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SVOboy (Post 21970)
The one in my basement certainly is. It's for sale, of course.

how much are yo asking for the transmission?


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