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Sludgy 10-04-2006 06:41 AM

So what's the verdict? If I plumb some 3/8" copper tubing from the exhaust pipe to the intake manifold, will I see better mileage?

omgwtfbyobbq 10-04-2006 06:51 AM

Probably not since the engineers who set-up your engine already figured the maximum amount of heated exhaust that could be added w/o raising the cylinder temp too much, i.e. egr is probably already optimized for fuel economy, unless you don't have it. You could try it, but make sure to keep an eye on the engine and have a cut-off you can use in the car, detonation is never good for an engine. A nice project would be to take a solid old iron block/head engine, retrofit it for SAFI/EGR, and run methanol. Maybe even a turbo if you're so inclined.

MetroMPG 10-04-2006 08:35 AM

omgwtfbyobbq: are you sure you don't have things backward, re: cylinder temps with EGR present? (And related issues of detonation/octane)

The little reading I've done on EGR says that it lowers combustion temperatures (thus reducing formation of oxides of nitrogen). That would allow you to run both fuel with lower octane and more spark advance than without.

Also, I have my doubts that EGR is fully used for FE savings, since as you approach the maximum amount of EG you can have in the cylinder before you cause a "missing" condition, driveability suffers (appearing as hesitation on acceleration). I believe engineers always err on the side of drivability over efficiency.

MetroMPG 10-04-2006 08:44 AM

A relatively simple & crude way to test this would be to get one of those long exhaust hoses the mechanics use, and set it up to feed exhaust into the intake while driving and monitoring the ScanGauge.

kps 10-04-2006 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rh77
Even worse, North America has very low octane ratings vs. Europe. The average Octane rating is about 87, with 91-92 as the common high-end.

This is an artifact of testing methods, not an actual difference.
See Octane rating - Measurement methods.

zpiloto 10-04-2006 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG
A relatively simple & crude way to test this would be to get one of those long exhaust hoses the mechanics use, and set it up to feed exhaust into the intake while driving and monitoring the ScanGauge.

Where are you going to pick this up from?

MetroMPG 10-04-2006 10:25 AM

Um.. Not actually planning any test.

But, pick up what?

zpiloto 10-04-2006 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG
Um.. Not actually planning any test.

But, pick up what?

Sorry, I was wondering where you would pick the exhaust gas up from to take to the intake.

rh77 10-04-2006 10:37 AM

Crap Again
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kps
This is an artifact of testing methods, not an actual difference.
See Octane rating - Measurement methods.

Crap again. I was always convinced that the actual anti-knock was higher there, where it's apparently the same -- the whole RON and MON deal. I looked it up in two other spots, so I stand corrected, again. You hear something so many times without the actual data, you become easily convinced. Thanks for the correction :)

One point -- Xylene was not mentioned. Of all of the additives, it seems to have the least "side effects" on the fuel system (if you add lubrication -- such as "Marvel Mystery Oil").

RH77
"making a note to have citations for future posts"

MetroMPG 10-04-2006 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by zpiloto
Sorry, I was wondering where you would pick the exhaust gas up from to take to the intake.

Simplest (for testing) would be the exhaust tip at the back of the car, and a long *** hose back to the front :)

If it worked, then you could look at splicing into a pipe in/near the engine compartment, or modding the EGR valve/system itself (though from what I've read, that'll likely cause the ECU to throw codes).


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