Anyone try Vredestein Quatrac 2 LRR tires? Or looking for sugg. on other LRR tires
 

I found a distributor up north who sells them at a pretty good price, and they're one of the few models still available in the VX factory 165/70/13 size. I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with this tire, I like the fact it is considered LRR and even better it's available in the stock tire size.

Any input would be appreciated, if not this tire, then any other recomendations on a good LRR tire near my stock size.

Thanks

Nick

LRRs
 

A few months back, I was very limited with my options and went for the Michelin Energy MXV4 "Green X" tires. RR is definitely down, they're much quieter than the old set, and surprisingly, very capable in the snow (marginal in the rain), and have good dry handling/performance.

Unfortunately, a tire's RR is not generally tested. I've not heard of the brand that you mentioned, but it was mentioned in this thread. "GreanSeal" was to conduct a new test of tires, but here's an old link to a 2003 test (but they didn't test anything smaller than 14" tires).

Hope it helps :rolleyes:

RH77

what are the specs on the tires? wear life and traction? they should be able to get you these numbers, if they are any good, then I would say go for them.

NHTSA Tyre Ratings - Traction, Temperature & Wear - Vredestein

Traction A

Temperature A

Wear 200

Why would a tire with a Wear 200 rating be considered LRR. To me, wear 200 would indicate a soft compound which wouldn't seem to be conducive to LRR.

There are many tires out there with Wear 500-600 ratings. With 50-60 psi in these, it does not appear to leave much room for LRR improvement.

On top of that, Wear 200 is near the bottom of any list for tire life. Wear ratings this low are usually found on the cheapest highway tires

Why would anyone want a tire that wears out 3 times faster??

I was rather suprized to find out that the civic vx came new with tires that carried a 180 B B ratting.
lower wear life can meen a number of things, they might have put less tred on to alow for a lighter weight tire, they might have made them softer leading to the tire wearing faster, or I'm sure there are a number of other reasons that a tire might wear faster when you try to get it to role easier.

Anybody know if it would make a considerable difference to go from a 165/70/13 to a 145/80/13? it's as close to overall diameter as possible, yet requires(or id assume) less force to roll due to the 20mm smaller contact patch. That and its 3lbs lighter per tire then a 165/70/13 so there is a 12lb weight saver right there. The load rating on the stock tire is 963lbs/tire whereas the 145/80 tire is only 853lbs/tire. If you get the gross allowable weight of the car by multiplying the load rating of the tire(853) by 4(no. of tires) to get 3412lbs, then it looks like Id have more then enough of a buffer considering the car itself only weighs 2,000lbs and I don't plan on packing 1412lbs worth of material, ever. Would this be to risky to run the smaller width tire, or should i be ok? Would it make any difference?

https://www.discounttiredirect.com/images/kotspacer.gifNick,
Looks like a good choice to me. Tire is .79 inch narrower. I would have no qualms about their load-carrying ability on your car.

If you buy from a tire store and have them mounted on the car, they may give you static about size not matching your car. I have got around their objections by carrying them in off vehicle to have mounted, balanced etc.
Don't even tell them what vehicle they are for (trailer is a good answer).

Did you read my post here #5 above? Personally I would not buy treadwear 200 rated tires. Look for 500-600 ratings.

reading this mad me go check out my tires ratings

65,000 mile warrenty Wear 560
Traction-A
Temp - B
I didn't so any research on them at all. just got what was on sale there. 65,000 mile at the rate i drive will mean they will be good for almost 10 years!!

who in the world sells a 145/80 13" tire in the US??? if you can find a good tire in that size I say go for it! I would love to get some of those, but I've never seen them, I know diesel VW rabbits came with something simaler to that new, but I've never seen them, my 165/70 13" were hard to find, after calling every single tire store within 35 miles, I found one store that could specail order some from a wear house in chicago that had 23 left, and that modle had been discontinued.

I just got some new tires myself. I wanted some LRR tires but couldn't get any that fit the Green Machine, and couldn't wait any longer. I wish that I could have waited longer, because I really don't like the new tires. They ride smoother, quieter, and handle better, but they just don't coast like the old bald ones did. I remember being able to turn the engine off at 30 mph and being able to coast 1/4 mile to my house and still be going 25ish. None of that anymore....

60,000 mileage warranty
for both T & H rated
https://www.webtiredealers.com/tires...ed_quatrac.htm

I just ordered 4 in original VX tire size 165/70/13

Manufacturers are required to provide a wear number. They are not required to use a standardized test to produce this number. So manufacturer A can be using a different test than B. Which allows comparisons between tires within a brand, but is useless between brands.

Good point. In practice, however, it seems that most of the time they are still useful for comparing across brand. 400+ almost always means a tire that's good for a lot of miles.

I don't know that I've seen many with 500-600 ratings.

Vredestein Quatrac, as the name suggests, is a four season tyre and is marked 'Mud & Snow' to comply with legislation in those countries where snow tyres must be fitted in winter. My own experience of using both Quatrac 2 and now, Quatrac 3, on my Ford Fiesta 1.4tdci is that they are most excellent snow tyres and have got me through the recent heavy snow in the North West of England. If it had got any worse I would have gone to full snows - Snowtrac 3. However, the Quatrac compound is designed to stay soft at low temperatures, which is why they work so well in winter and why they wear out so quickly in warm weather. So why not look at the web site - apollovredestein.com - They have a tyre (sorry 'tire', you won) for every occasion! And you can click on the drop-down lists to find your nearest dealer!

Regards - MikefromRamsbottom.

The Mud & Snow designation tells you it has a tread pattern matching specifications for snow. A proper winter tire has a snowflake symbol and is designed with a rubber compound made for snow and cold weather as well as snow tread. At least, that's how it is in the US, I'm not sure if a lot of tires are manufactured/marked differently for sale in different markets.

See the M+S and snowflake symbols below.

https://www.tancotire.com/images/tech...ll_marking.gif

Quatrac 2 & 3 do indeed carry the snowflake symbol.

It appears that EU regulations do not require a 'temperature' designation - I've never seen temperature markings on tyres sold in the UK. We more worry about rain than temperature! Here's what Vredestein's web site has to say about EU sidewall markings...

HomeFrequently asked questionsWhat do the codes on the tyre sidewall mean?
Frequently asked questions
What do the codes on the tyre sidewall mean?

The codes on the tyre 215/55 R 16 97 V XL mean:

215: tyre width in mm.
55: height / width ratio expressed as percentage
R: radial (particular tyre design)
16: rim diameter in inches
97: load capacity (730 kg)
V: speed symbol (240 km/h)

Other possible codes on a tyre:

XL extra Load (reinforced tyre with an increased load capacity)

RF reinforced (same meaning as Extra Load)

M&S mud and snow tyre (winter tyre)


symbol for winter tyres that comply with the strictest winter requirements

0218929-S approval number according to ECE*-R30

TWI wear indicator (Tread Wear Indicator) minimum tread depth 1.6 mm.

ROTATION indicates the forward driving direction that must be observed when fitting a directional tyre.

INNER SIDE is shown on the side of the tyre that has to be mounted on the inside

The size indication for tyres vans and light lorries (C tyres) is shown according to ECE* Regulation 54 and only deviates little from ECE_R30 for passenger card tyres.

* ECE = Economic Commission for Europe (UNO Institute in Geneva).

The temperature part of the UTQG ratings is for temperature of the tire rubber, not weather temperature. I'm not sure I understand it; temperature should be a function of inflation, load, and speed, which are already specified.