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bowtieguy 09-12-2007 04:58 PM

Stretching the shrinking dollar
 
i'd be really interested in what everyone does around the house besides energy conservation to stretch the shrinking dollar. BTW, i've used the conservation techs already. okay this is what the idea is-- for example: i shave only twice a week:eek: 'cause it saves. also, i use disposables and clean/dry them afterwards--this allows them to last forever(well, a long time). so please help! no matter how trivial, give me your ideas. my familiy's single income needs some stetching! THANK YOU!

SVOboy 09-12-2007 05:07 PM

I do things like turning off the main bathroom lights when I shower, as well as just not running the water much of the time I shower. Also, I turned the a/c off to the bathroom since it sucks to be cold when getting out of the shower anyway. For me, it's also worth turning off the a/c to my room since I am not in there during the day and the windows are open at night.

zpiloto has a really cool monitor as well!

Best of luck.

skewbe 09-12-2007 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bowtieguy (Post 72012)
...i shave only twice a week

Heh, yah I don't shave very often, and like to think it is to save money LOL :) I do get a lot of mileage out of a disposable razor too (you will know when it needs replacing). Maybe we can start a hypershaving chart?

There's all kinds of stuff, thrift stores, rice and dried beans are cheap and good for you, wholesale shops for stocking up, a garden or co-op. Best bet is to itemize your spending and see where the big hitters are for starters.

2TonJellyBean 09-12-2007 05:51 PM

I insulated, had new new windows installed, and switched from a crude old atmospheric oil fired boiler that would have lasted forever but was wasteful to a high tech outdoor reset controlled modulating condensing natural gas fired boiler. It will also do the domestic water heating duties at top efficiency in place of the current electric WH as well... once I stop procrastinating.

The current electric water heater will then be joining the heating system as a buffer tank to help decrease return temps at the end of each firing cycle to increase the ΔT and extract a few more efficiency points when running at lower loads and shoulder seasons.

And CFLs galore... until LEDs are a go.

bowtieguy 09-12-2007 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by skewbe (Post 72022)
Heh, yah I don't shave very often, and like to think it is to save money LOL :) I do get a lot of mileage out of a disposable razor too (you will know when it needs replacing). Maybe we can start a hypershaving chart?

There's all kinds of stuff, thrift stores, rice and dried beans are cheap and good for you, wholesale shops for stocking up, a garden or co-op. Best bet is to itemize your spending and see where the big hitters are for starters.

this is without a doubt the kindest you've ever been to me. you hit it right on--food is my second biggest greatest expense. budget already, but perhaps itemizing a budget within the budget is in order. thanks!

bowtieguy 09-12-2007 06:32 PM

entertaining
 
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Originally Posted by theclencher (Post 72044)
I don't buy nuthin. Serious,,,,,,,,,,,,, cept fule, groceries, cat food, tp. Nice clothes= sparingly used, stay nice forever. Wear grungy (most of them not THAT bad) work clothes otherwise, gotten at garage sales or ?. EVERY time I try to do something while wearing nice clothes I damage them anyway. Try to stretch razor life til the dang thing pulls every whisker out. Have a goatee so only shaving half the real estate anyway. Blades just don't last that long for me tho. Shaving in the shower is the ultimate, beard nice n soft and only have to clean tub, not tub and sink. Not set up for it at home tho, need a mirror and decent light in there. blades aren't that big an expense anyway. never throw stuff away- 97% of the time broken stuff is fixable. I can afford to replace broken/old stuff but I like the challenge. i don't feel the need to have the latest and greatest. i go for quality when i can. still have good 25 year old stereo- NAD, B&O, Nakamichi, Polk, etc., gotten off bulletin board in student union. dumpster diving yields much goodies. it's weird at first; not so much after a while. drive an old car- not only saves p&i; tabs, ins, everything is less. don't use credit. layer up on clothes in winter. no a/c, jsut fans summer. Ya learn ta be frugal when govt bastids run off with half yer money for child suppoort.

entertaining as usual clencher. i use credit to buy gas w/3-5% cash back, but pay them off EVERY month. see my gas log--got one free-be already.

trebuchet03 09-12-2007 07:13 PM

Groceries tend to be a big expense...

On Howell Branch and 436 - there's a farmer's market. And it's cheap by farmer's market standards. It's not open on Sundays (FYI). In that same shopping center you'll find a large thrift store(Thriftco) and Harbor Freight (I'm weak when it comes to tools :p). Not sure if that's close to you - but your location is C. Fla.

In the Bay Area, CA - I did a bit of dumpster dipping (diving happens to be dangerous and illegal :p). I really do miss the gourmet bread :p But you can find all sorts of things you may need (or do need). I've yet to explore since then, but one day :)

My bathroom has three lights over the sink... unscrewed all but 1 and replaced it with a CF.

CFLs --> natural light is even better

Hang Dry clothing... Really, it's faster than my dryer :p You can throw your clothing in the dryer for a few minutes to get rid of wrinkles if you want...

I use homemade dishwasher soap and laundry detergent. Unless there's some form of organic stain in clothing (grass and such). Socks get regular detergent. As for dish washing soap, it takes some tinkering to get the recipe right to prevent powder residue.

Programmable T-stat if you can.

Cook outdoors in the summer (hooray BBQ).

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Snax 09-12-2007 07:18 PM

Oops, BESIDES energy conservation . .

We only get the Sunday paper. :P

cfg83 09-12-2007 07:30 PM

theclencher -

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Originally Posted by theclencher (Post 72044)
I don't buy nuthin. Serious,,,,,,,,,,,,, cept fule, groceries, cat food, tp. Nice clothes= sparingly used, stay nice forever. Wear grungy (most of them not THAT bad) work clothes otherwise, gotten at garage sales or ?. EVERY time I try to do something while wearing nice clothes I damage them anyway. Try to stretch razor life til the dang thing pulls every whisker out. Have a goatee so only shaving half the real estate anyway. Blades just don't last that long for me tho. Shaving in the shower is the ultimate, beard nice n soft and only have to clean tub, not tub and sink. Not set up for it at home tho, need a mirror and decent light in there. blades aren't that big an expense anyway. never throw stuff away- 97% of the time broken stuff is fixable. I can afford to replace broken/old stuff but I like the challenge. i don't feel the need to have the latest and greatest. i go for quality when i can. still have good 25 year old stereo- NAD, B&O, Nakamichi, Polk, etc., gotten off bulletin board in student union. dumpster diving yields much goodies. it's weird at first; not so much after a while. drive an old car- not only saves p&i; tabs, ins, everything is less. don't use credit. layer up on clothes in winter. no a/c, jsut fans summer. Ya learn ta be frugal when govt bastids run off with half yer money for child suppoort.

I admire your frugality because you can say "I am not part of the problem" without being a hypocrite. I can't say the same for me, but I underlined the ones that I try to do.

bowtieguy -

If you have to use AC, then limit it to one "cool room". Close the other doors so that the AC doesn't have to cool the rest of the home. This is the summer version of what my Mom's family used to do in Minnesota, aka close off rooms in the winter so that you don't use more energy heating them.

CarloSW2

Erdrick 09-12-2007 07:47 PM

Something that I am not willing to do, but others may be, is using a microwave instead of a gas/electric stove. They cook quicker and more efficiently, but they don't make things taste as good. I live to eat, so I don't cut corners anywhere when it comes to food. $20 steaks are nothing to me!!.... course I wait until they are half off to buy them!!! haha!!

Otherwise, you should check out Michael Bluejay's site. It is chock full of electricity info.

Oh, and you can save a TON of money by hang-drying your clothes. a) no upfront cost of a dryer b) no maintenance cost on said dryer c) no electricity cost on said dryer d) your clothes will last forever. My fiance, being Japanese, has never used a clothes dryer, and has a sweatshirt that she wears about 180 days a year, washes about 60 times a year, and it still looks the same as the day she bought it... which was about 20 years ago.

You can spend money outright on more efficient appliances, but you really need to check out what you are using now, and a good way to do that is checking your bills and/or using something like a kill-a-watt.

I will post more things as I think of them.

CoyoteX 09-12-2007 08:07 PM

I have my expenses down to a bare minimum. I pay electric $30, natural gas avg$40, water $25, and cell phone $50. No Cable TV, no landline phone, no subscriptions to anything. Food/household is prob $125 a month for me and that could be cut further but I am happy with what I have now so I haven't cut back any more lately. I don't normally run the a/c in the summer unless I have a date over or something. A box fan stuck to an old radiator hooked to a sump pump out in a creek can cool the house more than enough for me when I am here by myself.

CF lights, attic fan, laser printers and some other things have a higher return in savings than their initial cost so I look at total cost when changing something. Think of it as a long term plan and look at something that might cost more upfront but save money long term. Once you have your monthly expenses cut down you can afford to spend more upfront to save money long term.

I Just started by writing down every penny I spent for a month then started from there figuring out what the biggest bang for the buck I could get. Saving the first 25% of my paycheck was easy. It gets harder to save money as you cut out unneeded stuff but every dollar you can save gets you that much closer to getting out of the rat race and into being independent.

Really it is like getting better mileage you have to get a baseline before you do any changes so start tracking every penny you spend in a notebook. Then you can see what the biggest/easiest changes are you can do first and start trimming it down from there. I used a PDA so I could save my expenses in excel so it was easier to sort out and figure things but use whatever you are comfortable with just make sure to start tracking everything you spend even if it is 50 cents in a vending machine. The extra effort in having to track things can sometimes make you save money by not wanting to bother :cool:

QDM 09-13-2007 03:54 AM

Solar PV powered off grid house. Solar water heater. 50 MPG car. 80 mpg motorcycle. Ponytail and beard so no haircuts or razors. Buy wheat and grind it myself with a hand grinder to make bread. Vegetarian so no high priced meat. No cable TV and $9.95 internet. House and car paid for so minimal insurance costs. No debt so no interest payments. There's more but I can't think of them right now.

Q

Telco 09-13-2007 04:17 AM

On the groceries, look for the discount joint that sells odd brand stuff. I cut about 40 percent off my food bill by shopping at the deep discounters like Aldi and Sav-A-Lot, and in many cases the food tastes better than what you get at the high dollar grocery stores. Sure, the store isn't quite as nice and clean looking and sometimes the other shoppers are a little whiffy but then the food isn't packages there, either. Definitely, buy in bulk to not only save on the per unit cost, but the number of visits to the grocery store.

Razors? I shave about 3-5 times a week using one of those 3-blade jobs with the disposable blade (keep the handle). I like the weight of the handle vs the 99 cent disposals, not to mention the disposables always felt like I was shaving with sandpaper. Each blade lasts me about 6-9 months. True, I don't have a heavy beard, but the whole face gets the swipe. Also look into getting a mug, brush and soap for shaving cream, a bar of shaving soap is about 99 cents and lasts about 6 months, with no razor burn. Canned shaving cream usually has alcohol in it, which will irritate the skin. With the soap, no need for aftershave, just a quick water rinse and it's done.

Laundry is another area for savings. Tide is nice, but Arm and Hammer is less than half the cost of Tide and does the same job. It also has colorsafe bleach in some of it, which does a great job. Vinegar in the wash also helps get things clean, and if you soak a new pair of jeans in the washer with about a quart of vinegar, then wash, they come out a lot softer than when they went in.

Picked up a manual sweeper for spot cleaning around the house, now the power sucking vacuum cleaner only comes out for whole-house cleaning.

I also have no subscriptions to anything. My TV comes in on an outside aerial with a turner on it, which the HOA Nazi neighbors hate but can't do anything about since it's against federal law for any public or private entity to outlaw a TV antenna so long as it falls within install guidelines. I do have a landline since I've got DSL, but no fancy options on it. I don't text anything on the cell phone, or use any of the other expensive options. The DSL is also the cheapest, lowest speed version, which means I might have to wait 2 seconds longer than someone with the really fast connection does.

Next up, power strips everywhere. Death to the phantom load! My computer is on one and is about to get a second so I can only turn on the printer when something needs printing. Going to shuffle the TV area around as well, so I can get the power strip out front where it'll be easy to get to. I'm also on the hunt for a thermal carafe coffee maker that has no clock in it, and makes 12 cups of coffee. These pots have no burners, the coffee brews and it's done.

Those of you with the toaster ovens, how well are they insulated and how hard would it be to add insulation to one? Was thinking that they are pretty small and don't look like the cooking area is insulated, if it were then a toaster oven would take a lot less power to run. Might make a nice replacement for the oven too, since 90 percent of what we put into the oven to cook is only about an inch or two tall, like pizza. Then we could save the power sucking oven for hams and turkeys. If they aren't insulated, might be able to get a box built to slide the oven in, then insulate the void. Would make it safer too, since the body wouldn't be exposed.

bowtieguy 09-13-2007 12:03 PM

Thank you
 
thank you everyone--great info! hey don't forget Big Lots. kind of hit and miss tho. try to run by once a week or so. also, try to eat at relatives/friends and host meals as well. we tend to get invited more than we host tho. but it works to save money.

cfg83 09-13-2007 01:22 PM

bowtieguy -

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Originally Posted by bowtieguy (Post 72129)
thank you everyone--great info! hey don't forget Big Lots. kind of hit and miss tho. try to run by once a week or so. also, try to eat at relatives/friends and host meals as well. we tend to get invited more than we host tho. but it works to save money.

Oh yeah, and the 99cents store. I remember when Big Lots used to be called Pic'N'Save. Pic'N'Save always had good prices. With Big Lots you have to be careful because it isn't always giving you a bargain. I was practically raised in a thrift store, because that's where my Mom has always liked to shop. She was raised in the Depression, so she has the frugal gene.

For me thrift shops and Big Lots are treasure hunts, aka trying to something good and/or useful among the "stuff". And, if you got that hankerin' to shop, at least you won't spend that much.

CarloSW2

skewbe 09-13-2007 02:35 PM

I'm gonna go off on shaving for a bit, I can't beat 6 months on a razor, but here is the RIGHT way to do it ;) :

1. Single edge razors are the easiest to work with, they unclog the easiest. Be careful if you are used to double/triple razors, if you use the same pressure you will shave off a strip of skin.

2. Use plain old bar soap, lather it in your hands and spread it on your face.

3. Just put a little water in the sink, a couple inches. Enough to swish it around to get the hair out. I used to do it in the shower, but it is quicker and wastes less water (and fuel to heat the water). It is really obvious since we got a tankless heater, the thing was screaming loud the whole time I was groping around for stubble.

4. Of course, pull the razor up, or up on an angle.

trebuchet03 09-13-2007 02:53 PM

You know, the easiest way to save on shaving.... Use a straight blade... It's reusable/resharpenable and NOTHING shaves closer than a straight blade ;)

omgwtfbyobbq 09-13-2007 02:57 PM

Where can we get 'em?

McPatrick 09-13-2007 03:47 PM

One of the things I like to do is keep the bigger picture in mind. A lot of people will drive an extra mile to get gas 2 cents a gallon cheaper and then buy a Snickers while they're there. On any trip, bring your own food and drinks. On longer trips pack lunch or dinner; don't buy food while being on the road.
On the subject: don't eat out. Imagine what great meats you could have bought for the less than what you're paying eating out (and drinking out).

See if you can get a cheaper car insurance or any insurance for that matter. get quotes. if you live in an appartment: could you go to a smaller one and still be comfortable? Smaller places are also less expensive to cool down or heat up.
Food: get stuff on sale and put it in the freezer. Clothes: go visit stores like TJ Maxx to find name brands for a whole lot cheaper.
use Craigslist to find any larger item you need replaced like washers, dryers and stoves. If you plan a building project: start looking on Craigslist two months ahead of time and get insulation and your 2x4's a whole lot cheaper. Don't get anything you will have to pay off. Interest charges are a waste...

hawkgt647 09-13-2007 04:26 PM

On shaving -
After using your favorite disposable razor, rinse well in the sink by swishing around, and pat dry on towel.
Then immerse the blade in a shallow container with mineral oil. The blades will last much longer and won't pull on your skin.

Cutting the lawn -
Ditch the gas mower and go to a reel type if your yard is small. I used an electric (corded) mower for awhile, but prefer the cut with the reel type mower. Gave up the health club and saved the dues.

Watering the garden -
Collect rain water from the gutters in recycled plastic drums.

Fishing -
Cut and dry bamboo for jig poles. Multiple coats of varnish and they last for a couple of seasons. Great for bream and sac-a-lait.

Phones -
I kept one cordless phone for the convenience, the others are corded phones. This eliminates 3 power adapters and the phones always work when the power goes out.
Cell phone - Charge it at work only. Mine will hold a charge over a 3 day weekend with moderate use.

Cooking -
On weekends, we cook outside with a solar oven. Try to make a few extra meals to have during the coming week. Zero energy and doesn't heat up the house. Most recipes work the same, cooking times go slightly longer.

Kitchen Clean-up -
Use cloth kitchen towels that can washed rather than paper towels. Save the paper towels for the goo or poop pickups.

DRW 09-13-2007 09:50 PM

My favorite energy saving tip (I hope the downstairs neighbors aren't reading this) is to live in a second story apartment above someone who likes to crank up the heat in winter, and make sure the exhaust flue for their heater runs right up the middle of the apartment. I haven't had to use the heater in about 4 years, even the pilot light is off. Winters here are mild anyway.

I just converted the whole place to flourescent lights. Previously I had 4CFL's but then my electric bill went up to around $13 a month over the summer with all the heavy fan use (35watt window fan) so I said, "I can't take it, this has got to stop!" and now the whole place has CFL's.

Since I'm an apartment dweller I don't pay for water, which means I also don't pay for hot water. A hot shower in the winter does wonders for shaking off the cold. I also like to let drained spaghetti water sit in the sink instead of running down the drain. It keeps a little heat and humidity inside.
A few sets of situps, pushups, and deep squats warms me up, too.

My dirty laundry 'hamper' is a cardboard box. I've had it for about 8 years now, still in great shape. I carry it carefully since it doesn't have handles so it lasts longer. I can't imagine paying money for a plastic laundry basket that breaks every year or so, gets thrown in the landfill for eternity, then spend money on another.

egnorant 09-19-2007 09:01 AM

A budget and accounting for how I spend my money was the single most helpful tool for getting the best bang for the buck.

I first noticed this when at my old job I would get a snack rather than lunch.
Snickers bar and a soft drink from the vending machine.
$2.75 per day and I rationalized that I was being cheap.

One day my girlfriend and I were shopping and found a 10 pack of the snickers
bars for $3.25 and a case of the soft drinks for $5.00 with a dollar off.
Same stuff for only .54 cents per day. Saved $2.21 per day for 20 days a month (roughly).....$44.20 per month!!!! I was hooked!

Got my brother hooked also.
Garage sale Christmas is fun also.
I already have all but one Christmas present for this year.

Plan well ahead for known purchases. I bought my next set of tires and wheels for girlfriends car last night. Young friend bought some big shiny things and took his 2000 mile tires and wheels off. $225!!!
(17" Mustang Bullitt wheels with Goodyears)

Coupons, sales, rebates, last years models.
Went TV shopping and sales lady told me that floor models where on sale next week so I waited. Found an HD 48 inch Sony for $998. Had a coupon book from Sears that gave me $100 off for purchases up to $999.
Noticed the TV next to it was 52 inch and $50 more but I had a coupon for $150 off for $1000+ purchases. Sony website and bonuses that I signed up for when I purchase a digital camera got me an additional $200 off and then 10% for using my Sears card and 10 % for buying on sales days.
Bought $250 worth of gift cards which got me 2 cheap FM radios (The Incredibles) for stocking stuffers AND a $25 discount. Due to some stock lawsuir I had a voucher for $300 for Sears merchandise. Out of pocket....
$210...delivered. 14 months no interest or payment that I payed off in 4 months from my budgeted funds.

Buy DVDs at the pawn shop for $2..cheaper than renting and swap with friends. Buy tool there too.

Find cheaper method to get what you need.
I discovered I needed a fence so I shopped for fence. I could have just paid the fence guys and not worried about it, but It would have cut my funds for my Mexico vacation.
I could have bought fence stuff and done it for less.
Then I discovered that what I really needed was an acceptable method of blocking a 150 foot area from view from the road to meet city ordinance.
Free 8 foot pallets from the industrial hose place that I do some Hotshot work for and $84 worth of other supplies, I was able to build my own in 2 weekends. Looks great too as I found the paint in the cheap part of Home Depot for $5.

Utilize your skills and those of your friends. Our "We Tight" group has mechanics, housepainters, electricians, restaurant managers (Free pizza!) and college teachers.

We rotate around and have roofed my house, wired my friends shop, restored several cars, designed Advertising campaigns, Got scholorships for 3 kids (Lawyer, College professor and environmental chemist).
I have a group of college kids working on my hybrid car right now as a class project.

Avoid items that provide no direct asset to you.
I work hard to avoid Interest, taxes (legally), advertising and my own desire for the newest and shiniest.

If you can discipline yourself to keep track of ALL you expences for one month...do it.
You may be shocked at how much some activities are wasting and how little some are helping.

As a mechanic, I see a huge waste in not maintaining your car.
2 example are Automatic transmission fluid change.
90% of folks will not do it and at 100,000 mile the $4000 car breaks and they
get a new one rather than pay $1500 for a rebuilt. $300 worth of scheduled maintainance and the car will keep going.
I bought a 98 Mustang with a blown tranny for $400.
Nice car..girlfriend drives it every day!

Item 2: Cooling system! Maintain it and fix early.
96 Mustang was getting hot and blew a head gasket sold it to me for $600.
I already knew that it was still covered under an extended factory warrenty
for this problem so I got it fixed for free!!
Niece is driving a 98 Escort ($100) that got hot and blew a head gasket.
$200 for a new waterpump and head gasket and it was a great car again.

Shop and study before you buy....TV listed above is identical to the newest model with some cosmetic changes and was listed $580 less than the new model.
Buy value..not just cheap.
Particleboard furniture is a TOTAL waste of money.
I went through 3 "kit" computer desks that fell apart in 3 years before I found a solid oak desk at a junk shop for about the same money...15 years and it will outlive me.

Quality clothes...boots in this example.
$200 boot have lasted 11 years with 2 resoles at $30 each.
Before I bought $79.99 boot that lasted maybe 2 years.
Do the math.

Bruce

Snax 09-19-2007 07:49 PM

Terrific examples and ideas Bruce. I'm definately on-board with the boots thing. Those $80 specials in the department stores are for people who don't really need to work in them. Paying twice that much typically gets one a boot that is made in the USA that will last at least 2-3 times as long.

In other words, cheap does not always mean less expensive.

We have a local furniture store that I want to do business with because all of their stuff is both locally made and is of solid wood construction. We don't need anything right now however, but that is definately where we will go when we do.

I am also very much the DIY type when it makes sense. We installed solid oak flooring into our house over the course of a week for about $1200 + our labor which about doubled the cost. That alone saved us at least $1000 over outsourcing it and gave us a new appreciation for similar projects in the future. Plus out of that $1200, I now own another $600 worth of tools!

egnorant 09-19-2007 08:23 PM

Bingo on the flooring.
Discovered that some of the houses in a nearby town were to be demolished.
I was allowed to scavage in one for 2 days before it was knocked down and bulldozered off to a landfill.

I got about 3000 square feet of Oak flooring, iron railings, 2 clawfoot bathtubs, Some curly pine panelling (extinct species), 6 oversized doors and a lot of glass doorknobs among other fixtures.

I was in the process of pushing the house over so I could get the 8 40 foot columns out front and the 8x10 cypress beams when the guy with the demolishion contracts ran me off and let his school buddy with the antique store loot the other 3 houses.

I REALLY wanted the 3 floor cast iron spiral staircase from the house next door. Heard the antique guy got 45,000 dollars for it.

Bruce

WisJim 09-20-2007 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by QDM (Post 72079)
Solar PV powered off grid house. Solar water heater. 50 MPG car. 80 mpg motorcycle. Ponytail and beard so no haircuts or razors. Buy wheat and grind it myself with a hand grinder to make bread. Vegetarian so no high priced meat. No cable TV and $9.95 internet. House and car paid for so minimal insurance costs. No debt so no interest payments. There's more but I can't think of them right now.

Q

My kind of guy. Our place is grid-connected, we use the grid as back up, and have a wind generator and PVs. My wife trims my hair and beard every month or so, my dial-up internet is a perk from work. No debt unless you count the phone bill. Bought our place 18 years ago 2 miles from work as I expected fuel/energy prices to keep going up (I remember the 1970s gas crisis).

Always take "left overs" for lunch at work, and seldom (just for special occassions) go out to eat in our home town--cheaper to eat at home. Grow a good percentage of our own food, and can/freeze/dry/root cellar it for year-round use.

ffvben 09-20-2007 03:22 PM

a bunch of items my wife and I changed:
12 out of 19 light bulbs to fluorescents
rechargeable fan .01kw vs fan use .02kw x 8hrs run time.
rechargeable razor 10-14days before recharge.
hang wet clothes 1/2 the time outside
tv/pc/printer off with power strip
don't flush unless its a stinker ;) or more than a day.
some Anderson windows get the plastic shrink wrap also, big diff in room temp
high efficiency washer, wife used distilled water when tide is 1/2 gone, makes it last longer and still cleans good.
cook outside with propane, cooks faster no extra heat inside for ac to struggle.
use better pots/pans, food cooks way faster.
comcast dsl/cable tv $140+ now we have verizon fios $107 and faster internet/with dvr/and 30 hd channels extra
thermostat auto adjusted when not home/or sleeping
wife, me, 2 big dogs heat up the bedroom in winter, feels like 5 degree diff. from rest of house.
new lawn mower uses 1/2 the gas as the old one.
my dad gave me an very old reel mower, i use on front part 2days after i cut w gas just to keep it trimmed.
planted ivy around 2 rear trees, this saves a load of grass cutting from the square foot of the ivy.
rechargeable weed wacker, no more gagging on 2stroke fumes.
1 new plastic trash can collects rain water for watering plants on dry days.
I always repair my own car/trucks with discounted factory parts.
I do some scrap metal recycling money goes to help with bills.
I fly 2xs a year with wife, i missed the last 3 flights ;)
i use ebates.com to save a little also on online purchases
credit card has flyer miles that add up too.
cell phone, pay as you go, 14 a month. I don't really use it but its good for emergencies.
2 small gardens for food.
and of course hypermile to get extra free milage/gas.

future items:
buy a energy star ac window unit to cool 1 room
solar panels(someone on this site got me hooked on)the 500 deposit,free installation/maintenance, using sun instead of coal sounds good as long as the company doesn't go under.
solar heating, that will help lower my gas bills since my house's insulation stinks( built in the early 60s)gas bill should drop 40-60% will get my money back in just a few years.

DracoFelis 09-20-2007 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bowtieguy (Post 72012)
i'd be really interested in what everyone does around the house besides energy conservation to stretch the shrinking dollar.

1) I use VoIP (internet phone) on top of my broadband connection, to keep the costs of phone service down. Not only does this give me an "unlimited" outbound USA/Canada residential phone line (in addition to the main phone line my telco requires me to have to get the DSL), it also gives me a local number to where I work (my home is in the next county and rate center over from work). This means I can phone home to the wife "for free" when I'm in the office. BTW: The VoIP (including the "unlimited LD") costs me aprox $10/month, beyond my other phone/internet costs (and I would need the internet anyway)...

2) I shop for non-perishable food (that I otherwise use) based upon sales when possible, and then I "stock up" at the discount price. In particular, I try to buy enough during the sale to last until the next sale for the same item (since store sales often go in cycles). For example, I just picked up 30 cans of Progresso soup for $1/each (this was the premium soups that are normally around $2.40/each). I just put them down in the shelf in the basement, and we will slowly eat those soups up over the winter when we are in the mood for a decent hot but quick meal. And we also bought 6 boxes of cereal today. Why you ask? Because the current promo is buy 6 and get $10 off + also get 2 free gallons of milk on your next visit. With the cereal boxes running between $3 and $4 a box, that makes the total cost (after discounts) aprox $13 for 6 boxes of cereal AND two gallons of milk. We will store the cereal in an airtight box until ready to eat, and the milk we will drink right away...

3) I often use coupons when taking my wife out to dinner. This doesn't mean we necessarily go to cheap restaurants (sometimes we do, but sometimes we go to fancy places). But we do like our discounts. After all, if your meal is $18/plate, you can still get out of the restaurant for around $25 if you have a 2 for 1 coupon.

4) Instead of a health club, my wife and I are now getting annual passes to a local water/theme park. We figure this gives us just as much exercise as a health club, for less than 1/4 of the cost. And as an added bonus, the rides (not to mention the water slides, etc) are more fun than just sitting on an exercise machine.

5) During the summer we purchase fresh produce from the local farmer's market. Save some money, and the produce is nicer as well.

6) We often save money by cooking our own food. And items like our pressure cooker just make this easier than it is for many people.

7) When eating at a buffet, we often go for the lunch specials. Less cost than dinner, and a large lunch saves on being as hungry at night.

8) When paying for stuff, I often do a quick cost/benefit calculation. For example, sometimes the big quantity isn't the cheapest way to buy something ("unit pricing" calculations, etc). And in other cases you can get something equivalent for much less. For example, on our recent trip, we saved aprox $30 one night, simply by calling ahead with our cell phones, and arranging to drive an extra hour (towards our destination) one night, vs stopping in the town we were already in.

9) And yet I won't always get the cheapest of something. Sometimes I do (yes, I do shop at dollar stores, among other places). But I will also pay more for quality when it seems appropriate, instead of being "penny wise and pound foolish". This is especially true of "durable goods". Get quality "durable goods" that really are "durable", and you could easily (over the life of the item) save a bundle over just getting cheap items that easily break.

10) I try to plan my cash withdrawals to avoid ATM fees. I'm usually (but not always) successful at this.

11) I buy my gas using my AAA (yes, the auto-club) branded credit card. This gives me 2%-5% cash back on my gas purchases. Yes, I use techniques to minimize my total gas needed (I wouldn't be on this site if I didn't), but I still rack up a lot of miles (many of the commuting) over the year. So I might as well also save a little on the gas I do end up buying...

12) Speaking of AAA, I have their "AAA Plus RV" (gold) service. Yes, between me and my wife it runs aprox $120/year, but we also get useful discounts/maps/guides/etc. And a single tow during the year (and that plan has emergency 100 mile towing "for free") can (and has in some years) paid for my entire membership fee all by itself.

13) When we got the chance a few years back, we "locked in" a 15 year FIXED RATE mortgage at a little under 5.2%. Naturally, with rates going back up, that "refinancing" is proving to be paying for itself (and may continue to pay for itself for years to come).

14) I use my Credit Union's free "bill payer service". Not only does this make it easy for me to schedule payments in the future (for example, schedule the payment today, but don't actually pay the bill until a few days before it is due), I don't even have to pay the stamp to mail the money out! But the thing that makes this service so great, is that you can setup a schedule of future payments, to make sure you always pay certain bills "on time". As a result of that ability (to auto-pay on time, every time), I've held onto a 2.9% teaser rate with American Express (and therefore been very slow to pay off that bill) for a few years now (even though the 1st missed or late payment would lose me that extra low teaser rate)...

Snax 10-22-2007 04:35 PM

I forgot to mention that my neighbor doesn't spay or neuter her cats. We eat allot of stew.


























Sorry. :)

8307c4 11-07-2007 12:05 PM

This project is for me on-going, I started about 3 years ago, here goes:

- Replaced all light bulbs with CFL's, also downgraded one step in wattage (100w's became 75's, 75 > 60, 60 > 40, 40 > 25).
> Wow, $20 a month on the electric thou the next step helped as well.

- Replaced shower faucet with a water-saver (cost $7).
> Reduced water bill by $5 a month.
> Almost literally never run out of hot water, not recommended to test it, but I can :p

- Replaced heat pump's mechanical thermostat with a digital one.
> Not sure on the savings, but I like the accuracy.
> Mine happens to be programmable thou I think the digital part is the thing.

- Turned the hot water heater down to 130.
> Not sure on savings here, might be part of the $20 a month, but it helps.

- Acquired a kerosene space heater.
> This thing is 98% efficient, at $3 a gallon this thing dumps out 125,000 btu's / gallon, I usually run it 3-4 hours / day at a cost of $30 / month.
> Reduced winter heating costs, more so on very cold days.
Other notes: Start-up / shut-down are the worst part of it, this thing needs to run for at least 3-4 hours, longer is better but it dumps out a lot of heat :p

- Increased ceiling insulation from R-11 to R-19.
> Can't wait until next year, when I can afford the additional R-30 unfaced to put on top of the R-19, specs call for R-49.
> Not sure on the savings yet but I can feel it, the heat pump kicks on less, and for shorter periods of time.

- Hang clothes outside to dry in summer, run ONLY full loads in the dryer in winter.
> A half a load takes 55 minutes, a full load only 100...
> Once that dryer is HOT it does its best work.

- Every bill except water and for now credit card is on auto-pay.
> Saves money first in stamp check and envelope, then in time spent writing out the check, last but not least never a late fee or interest. Technically it's worth it just in peace of mind alone, only drawback is I recommend maintaining a minimum balance equal to at LEAST two months worth of bills, the money HAS to be in the account, why I'd have to mention this :p
> For those of you who can, Direct Deposit helps a ton as well.

GasSavers_Dust 12-10-2007 12:57 AM

Use the bathroom at work. Until I got a girlfriend, one toilet paper roll lasted about 5 months. Less poopy, less flushing. Also put a few glass jars in the toilet to reduce water usage.

Snax 12-10-2007 06:04 AM

No doubt on the paper useage. I think I used to go through about a roll a month. Now it's one of this big 24 roll packs a month. No wonder the toilets in this house plug up so often. >:|

Devinator 12-26-2007 06:57 PM

You can save on lighting costs by trying to wake up at sunrise to take full advantage of daylight and minimize the time you are awake at night and have the lights on.

jcp123 01-06-2008 02:13 PM

I unplug my TV/Satellite box/other electronics when not in use. I'm a light-turning-off nazi, too. We use some CFL's, but aren't font of the harsher light range they put out, and can't use them in dimmer lights or in a couple of lamps where the shades mount on the bulbs, either. Otherwise, the house does a lot of conservation work for us - the guy who built the house for himself was a housebuilder by trade, so it's so well-sealed that when you close a door you can hear the pressure changing on all the other doors and windows in the house.

Of course, the guy next door to us who built his house into the side of a hill has us beat...$70/mo electricity bill for a 2200sf house vs. $130 for our 2800sf.

Snax 01-06-2008 07:04 PM

We just cancelled our satellite subscription which should lead to much more TV off-time. Throw in the writer's strike and the fact they give away Faux News but charge people more for somewhat more real channels, and I'm not missing it much.

I pretty much only watched DIY, HGTV, the premium movie channels, and Mythbusters, but between Netflix and all of the on-demand stuff available over the internet, it's hardly a loss. Now my kids won't be watching endless ads for crap that nobody needs during their cartoons, and they just might have to do something active or read!!

I guess having grown up with just 3 over the air channels for so much of my youth, I don't have allot of sympathy there. ;)

white90crxhf 02-23-2008 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by QDM (Post 72079)
Solar PV powered off grid house. Solar water heater. 50 MPG car. 80 mpg motorcycle. Ponytail and beard so no haircuts or razors. Buy wheat and grind it myself with a hand grinder to make bread. Vegetarian so no high priced meat. No cable TV and $9.95 internet. House and car paid for so minimal insurance costs. No debt so no interest payments. There's more but I can't think of them right now.

Q

every try growing your own wheat? i'm going to try this year in a small part of my yard.

GasSavers_James 02-24-2008 03:07 PM

I would like to grow my own wheat. I dont think I will get to it this year, but we are doing potatoes, carrots, beets, parsnips, onions, and winter squash. I am excited to use the root cellar in the house we just bought. I have a lot of work to do clearing a big garden and planting an orchard, along with pruning back the old apple trees to get them bearing.

GasSavers_James 02-24-2008 03:15 PM

We are getting goats for milk, and for clearing brush around here. It should save some money, considering how expensive organic milk is. Also am doing it for health reasons: if you drink raw milk from animals eating green grass, you barely ever get cavities...so it reduces your dentist bill. really good for children too. I do realize that goats are a complete pain in the a**, and I will have to do a lot of fencing to keep them where i want them.
We also have a use for the hq manure they produce...the garden and fruit trees.

white90crxhf 02-24-2008 06:53 PM

i won't be growing much wheat...maybe 150sq ft probably not even sure how much wheat i'll actually get. Do moles eat wheat? we got a mole that won't go away.

Snax 02-24-2008 07:00 PM

Mrs. Snax here

We also did cloth diapers.. fuzzy bunz. 300 dollars invested in diapers, an extra 10 bucks a month in laundry (less in summer). Breast feeding children is also a money saver. Between the saved medical costs and formula costs it is expected that parents can save between 1200 and 4000 a year JUST by breast feeding your babies. (dads get to sleep more at night too)

We buy the best bikes we can for the kiddos. We have a Gary Fisher cross over bike that has now been through four children... much cheaper than a 70 dollar walmart bike for each kiddo. ESPECIALLY since my mom is the one that purchased it and passed it to us after my MUCH younger brother and cousin were through with it.

MD2000 02-27-2008 03:52 AM

All good suggestions,
I canned 24 quarts of tomatoes using a modified radar dish (c-band would work) and only the sun for energy.
https://www.99mpg.com/resources/artic...ingintothesun/
This dish outputs 1500 watts and can melt aluminum.
I heat with coal,wood, and solar, and get all my winter hot water for free.
Story of heating system development.
https://pages.cthome.net/genesisone/solar_page.htm
Then I have the batmobile for transportation that can get over 100 MPG and run 40 miles on only electric which I generate with solar panels over the garage door.
https://www.99mpg.com/Projectcars/mikesinsight/
;)


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