Have you used dope?
 

I was wondering if anyone has tried making an aero mod in the same fashion as an early aeroplane? This is, make a frame, stretch a sheet over it, and then paint it with lacquer or urethane. Hunting down coroplast is surely easier, but I'm curious as to whether this would work?

As long as you have a frame similar in concept to an airframe ;) That is, if it's flapping around or significantly deforming - you're doing more harm than good.

Threads like this are why I like GasSavers.

Plucky title? Um... Check!

DIY focus? Check!

Contributing new ideas to a sound ecomodding topic? Check!

Quick response from a knowledgeable GS member? Check!

Makes me want to hug the Acetone Bunny.

Although, I really should be more supportive :p I'm not nonsupporting, I'm just not saying that I'm... errr not.... Hooray double negative :p

trollbait: what part were you considering framing up & doping?

trebuchet: I didn't think your reply was too negative. Actually, the first thing I wondered was if an aeroshell/cap was being considered. I don't know anything about airframe construction, but I imagine it would be challenging to keep a huge surface area like that from "balooning" into the low pressure around it at speed (like some closed convertible tops do on the freeway). I have no idea how stiff the urethane would make it.

But I'd like to see someone try.

I've been toying with this, sort of:
https://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...airingside.jpg

The color though, ugh, like the village people were auditioning for an eco-biker :)

Oo! That reminds me:

A friend of mine covered his velomobile with the sturdy shrink wrap plastic that boat yards use. There are bales and bales of that stuff thrown out every spring when the boats are uncovered, around here anyway. I picked up some for him to re-use.

https://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...s/Dec28_01.jpg

people who make vehicles for the Super Mileage Vehicle Chalange like the fabric like real airplanes use, because it's more durable and easier to work with, check out compenys that sell suplys for home built air planes.

Yah, but the reuse of the discarded boat wrap is a really awesome idea. And having done some fabric sewing and doping myself, and having also done rc monokote heat shrink plastic, the monocote is easier by far to work with.

Wouldn't that actually be a desired effect? The shroud at the back is to fill in the low pressure area back there. Why would a similar filling of the low pressure area above the roof not be desired?
Make it stiff enough to not flap, put it in motion, and let the wind sculpt it as it cures and hardens into a retained shape.

I was just pondering on what materials I could possibly use to clean up airflow on a pick-up. Basicly, just a tonneau cover and belly pan. I'm using plywood for a half tonneau now, but it sags a little under it's weight.

IIRC, my train of thought started with paper mache.

I know airframes are pretty skeletal. Since flight isn't my goal, I can be more conservative with support. Maybe use wire fencing under the sheet.

I thought of the monokote, but is it tough enough to take a stone kicked up into the wheel well?

I'll take a look into home built aircraft, but I really need to look into suorces of coroplast first.

Trollbait, just throwing this in for ideas
What you described for your first post is exactly how professionals build custom speakerboxes. Pretty simple concept, but pretty heavy and a bit expensive. What they usually do is start with a felt type material and stretch it to the desired shape, than soak it in fiberglass resin. Once hardened, they reinforce it with fiberglass for strength. Than use bondo to give it smoothness.

For a cover though, it would take a lot more work and in the end it may cost the same to buy a premade one.

The beauty of fiberglassing is that it is actually the resin and hardener that results create the shape. If you'd like you could use any type of material from clothing to cardboard. People only use fiberglass because it has the best strength to weight ratio. Better than carbon fiber.

ME 2 that helps me to keep here day after day.

Shrink wrapping underside
 

If one could avoid contact with the hot exhaust plumbing, the marine grade shrink material should handle the occasional rock ding.

Vibration and flutter might become an issue at highway speeds?
This could make your little gassaver into the world's most economical
"hummer?"

On a somewhat related topic...
Toyota experimented with non structural panels on one of the cars they ran at Le Mans in the late 1960's.
The rear spoiler was made from papier mache (yeah like you used to make in school) and survived speed of about 300 kph (180 mile per hour) so it can be made to work.

Interesting thread.

Pete.

Coverite fabric is superior to Monokote in durability and strength.. Works the same way with a hot iron..

https://www.coverite.com/covering/covq0301.html

How about the expandable foam. I thought it might be suitable. Use velcro for an attachment so it would be easily removable. Just a thought.

regards
gary

Another thing to consider. Many of the WW2 era aircraft still had fabric on some of the control surfaces. Even the F4U Corsair had fabric on the rear control surfaces. With proper framing they should work if they were good enough for 400+ MPH.

regards
gary

ill agree dope and fabric dam or aero mod will be light weight and strong.

if done to a/c type standards.

look for a/c manuals published by the faa. give detialed instructions on how to dope and fabric.

i studied it but couldnt tell you where to begin.

i dont think it would work for a belly pan

Marine shrink wrap update
 

:thumbdown: Bad news everbody, I have been investigating further with our local marina and it may be difficult to recycle/reuse boat wrap.

:thumbup: The good news is that we now have the stats and colors available... although the clear may not be optically clear

I have been experimenting with window/patio door shrink film for visibility reasons.

Boat Shrink Wrap

This film is a heavy duty shrink polyethylene available stock in BLUE, WHITE, or CLEAR in 6 MIL and 7 MIL, from 12 feet wide to 36 feet wide. This film is commonly used to shrink wrap boats during the winter in cold weather areas. Other applications would be any large item that would be exposed to the weather in warm or cold conditions. All films have UVI protection (ultraviolet inhibitor) to prevent the polyethylene from breaking down from exposure to ultraviolet rays. It also has EVA (Ethyl Vinyl Acetate) added to the film to keep the polyethylene soft and flexible in sub-freezing temperatures. Shrink wrap tape is available for seaming sheeting together. Boat Shrink Wrap is applied by draping the sheet over the boat and by applying heat with a hand held propane powered heat gun. This film is a one use application.

Cost benefit analysis marine wrap?
 

What is the payback?

12' x 175' x 6 mil White Boat Shrink, multifolded roll, 2100 square feet

$125.50

not doping ,but the structural concept used to build my nose piece with duck tape and coke bottles is the same. Duck tape is air tight/water resistant https://www.gassavers.org/garage_imag...hr1kqs4cxz.jpgfabric.[IMG]https://www.gassavers.org/garage_imag...201c4tyhh2.jpg[/IMG]