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I was wondering if anyone has a wind generator at there house?
Hooked up to the grid?

I was doing some research and a 300 watt generator is about 30-50kw a month. I currently only use about 100-150kw a month. I was thinking about getting a 500 watt wind generator, and was wondering how hard they are to hook up to my home power.

It would be nice to reduce my electric bill by 25-50% every month.

DONT just randomly hook it into the house/grid. talk to your power company about synchronizing the sine-wave to the AC coming in and all that. wouldn't want to muck up the power for the whole block. that's part of what costs so much for solar... not just the panels but the inverters and hardware to match it to the grid. and unless you have a switch and only use one or the other, your house connects it to the grid.

It's more complicated then you make it sound, first step would be to get a wind site assessment to find out how high up you will need to go to get at the wind, just because you have trash blowing around your yard doesn't mean you have usable wind, from where I sit I can see our wind generator spinning away at the top of the hill on a 60 foot tower (should be on a 90-120 foot tower), it starts spinning with around 7mph wind, starts putting out usable power in 10-12mph wind, hits it's peek at around 22mph, the airomometer that is next to the house on a 30" tower appears to be reading about 2mph... why? because it's near buildings and on a low tower, a wind site assessor will be able to tell you how high up you need to go, should have wind maps that will tell you your average wind speed for your area, and will then be able to tell you what size machine you will need to fill your electrical needs based off the resource that you have available to you.

Anyone have some loose estimates on the price of generators, installation, etc etc?

Yea the most expensive part of putting one into the grid is the power inverter and controller.

Your looking at about $2600 for a small system. But I guess anything worth while is about $6000-$10000

Check out Home Power magazine's wind generator buyers guide that was published about 6 months back, it will answer most of your questions.

What kills me is that my parents have property where two seperate creeks run through half the year, providing as much as a 30' head, but they have next to no interest in micro-hydro. I know that at the very least they could run a 300W low head draft tube generator (or perhaps several of them).

Wind is not so easy for their situation, but they could certainly do solar water heat and have lots of room with good exposure for mast mounted PVs as well.

For our house, our only realistic hope would be solar hot water. Nothing else is remotely practical.

Here's a good basic article written by two experts on home sized wind power: https://www.homepower.com/article/?fi...pg28_Woofenden

A wind generator capable of providing the electricity to run a house that does NOT have electric heat, hot water, or cooking might cost $20,000 installed if you have low power needs in a windy area, to $60k or more if you are a power hog and your wind isn't so great. It's sort of like asking how much a vehicle will cost. We need to know lots more!

And, yes, I do have a wind generator in use, since around 1977, but it isn't set up to sell power back to the grid, although I have all the appropriate inverters, etc., to do that. It is a 2500 watt unit, and produces 200 to 400 kw-hrs per month, at a rough estimate.

:eek: 20K ,,what about small systems ??

I think the $20k figure is for the nearly 100% Non-DYI install. While many people do in fact participate in the setup of wind generators, the larger cost savings can be found in following a proven design to build the generator yourself - but that's not something the majority of folks want or are prepared to handle.

If one is willing to handle things like pouring footings for the tower and anchors, they can save another significant chunk of change.

Regardless, I would not attempt either without some expert guidance!

A lot of the little machines (under $1000) don't hold up and are typically installed on towers that are WAY too short. Just because it is a cheap little generator doesn't mean it will work close to the ground. It still needs to be 30 to 50 feet above anything within 300 to 500 feet of the tower. The lower the tower, the more turbulence and the shorter the life of the generator. The lower the tower, the lower the windspeed and the less power it generates.

As far as I know, NONE of the currently available odd-brand made-in-China machines work as promised. The quality is so variable that a machine that worked a year ago is totally useless in the next batch. Stick with a known brand name from a company with a history (Bergey, ARE, Southwest Windpower, Proven, etc) or build your own, using tried and true plans and concepts such as Otherpower or Hugh Piggot' designs.

The MOST IMPORTANT thing to remember for wind generators is TOWER HEIGHT!!!!!!!

Often, the cost of the tower might be as much or more than any other single part of the system, including the cost of the generator. Therefore, it makes sense to put up the biggest generator you can afford on the tallest tower you can afford, as wind generators aren't modular like PV panels are.

And, yes, you can save money doing installation yourself, but don't fool yourself about the skills and knowledge you might need to do it, especially if you need to deal with zoning or building codes or nearby neighbors who question the safety of the system.

Attend one of the many energy fairs around the country and take some workshops on wind energy and look at the machines that vendors have for sale.

I've got no hope of getting a turbine high enough on my not-so-sub-urban lot, but I'm thinking of vertical axis type turbines... and I'm committing the heresy of thinking of putting them close to the house.... here's my reasoning. To a certain extent the side walls of the house act as a "collector" for winds, so vertical axis turbines at the two corners most exposed to prevailing winds, may actually make more power than if they were sitting at a similar height in the clearest part of my yard.

You're probably right. We construction dogs tend to go to the corners of a house on a hot day to stand around and talk...due to the breeze you find there. Especially between two buildings.

There is a good reason that no one with a good reputation is selling wind turbines will sell vertical axis wurly gigs and it's not because they don't know about them or haven't talked to the people who make them/sell them, it is often because they have talked to the people who try to sell them and have checked them out and then they go back to selling products that will work.

Just for fun we put our wind speed indicator in the open area next to the house where it gets a nice view of the west were most of our wind comes from and Friday it was windy to the point that the road was littered with twigs, shingles were blowing off buildings and you could feel a nice strong breeze next to the house, but that wind speed indicator served as a perfect example of why buildings screw with the wind, it would spin extremely eradicatly, read 10-15 mph then suddenly stop dead waver a bit maybe turn backwards a few turns then start spinning again, all while the wind generator that is up higher was generating at it's peek without any issue at all.

There is a house in Middletown RI that has a vertical axis generator mounted on the roof of their house and I am talking a few feet over the peaks.

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Yes, but I'd bet it doesn't put out enough usable power to justify the expense or trouble of putting it up. Vertical axis generators need to be up in the wind, also. I have seen absolutely NO believable evidence that this kind of machine will work in these conditions. There are NO reputable companies selling them.

one place to check is www.otherpower.com, they are some guys that live west of fort collins CO. they are now offering complete wind gens. for about 3k. not including tower, inverter and such. also a lot of good info on the site.
i'm going to be building my own soon (i hope) i hope this helps:thumbup: LAZ

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I was also going to mention otherpower.com. It is a fantastic site with a lot of very knowledgable members. While a horizontal-axis wind turbine will usually outperform a vertical-axis wind turbine there are some situations where a HAWT is not a good choice. If you live in the city is the one that comes to my mind. A rule of thumb for how high to build a HAWT is 30' above the tallest obstruction in a 300' radius. A VAWT can deal with the more turbulant air closer to the ground. Check out www.windstuffnow.com Ed Lenz has built an incredible VAWT that pumps out a pretty decent amount of power.

Todd

Well said. What it boils down to is making the best use of the resource you have available, and HAWT is simply not an option for many.

JG, what's the address in Middletown? I'd like to check it out the next time I'm over in Middletown.

COOL link :thumbup: