theholycow |
07-02-2008 02:01 PM |
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Originally Posted by goofy1
(Post 109237)
well i tried that for a week, shifting to n and coast with the engine on and i got worse mpg. so i stopped that.
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It may be that it won't work for you, or you may not be using the strategy right. It can be a little confusing trying to find right the way to use it.
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Originally Posted by kamesama980
(Post 109239)
your car is new enough to have DFCO hence the worse mpg.
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DFCO is not a substitute for neutral coasting. They're complimentary. DFCO is great if you intend to slow or stop. Neutral coasting is better if you don't.
See, you have a certain amount of kinetic energy stored in the car, and idling uses a certain amount of energy stored in fuel. When you DFCO, you use your stored kinetic energy not only to move the car, but to turn the engine a lot faster than necessary, pumping air past a closed throttle and fighting engine friction. When you neutral coast, you use less energy all total; the amount of gas you spend idling is less than the amount of gas you'd have to spend later if you had chosen DFCO instead.
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Originally Posted by grey
(Post 109260)
If you have an automatic, then dont coast in Neutral.
I dont know why people on here say it is okay... maybe they are rebuilt transmission salesmen.
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I don't know where this FUD comes from...maybe from oil salesmen. There is no reason why neutral coasting in an automatic would cause a problem. The issue was thoroughly discussed in another thread:
https://www.gassavers.org/showthread.php?t=8150
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Originally Posted by PaleMelanesian
(Post 109264)
Automatics will frequently do this on their own. Just watch the tachometer drop to idle as you roll up to a stop - that's neutral.
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I don't know where this piece of misinformation continually comes from either. Check the same thread I link above. Automatic transmissions do NOT enter neutral unless you shift to N. They remain in gear, and the torque converter unlocks; it still transmits some power, but the fluid coupling allows the car to be stopped while the engine continues running. This is why it saves gas to put it in N while stopped instead of staying in D. I've watched my fuel rate meter in my automatic as I wait at a stop in D and N, and fuel rate definitely goes down in N while RPM stays the same.
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Originally Posted by PaleMelanesian
(Post 109264)
In this case, coasting with the engine off is bad. Just make use of what you can do. I suggest trying engine-on coasting again. It's amazing how little bits of 150mpg will raise your trip average.
You might consider a Scangauge to show you how and when to use this, though.
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This part is 100% correct.
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